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So, a "whale" or two are stockpiling minerials... thank you mr. devblog
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Machete Visor
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-06-09 15:51:49 UTC
So now we know that a few players are sitting on huge stockpiles of minerals. They are LONG the price of minerals and t1 goods (among other things). What makes this disclosure interesting....

1 - there are a "few".. in eve world, that is likely less than 100. More likely greater than 5 but less than 25.
2 - it is large enough to be mentioned in a macro economic blog... that implies big.

Since we know it was a speculative play, we also know the minerals have to come back to the market. We don't know the time horizon. Assuming they are players who enjoy the trading game, they would be looking to liquidate the position over the term of months, not years. Open question... what can we deduce from this and how should you play it if you are

A) station trader
B) T1 producer
C) opportunistic SOB
Dezolf
DAX Action Stance
#2 - 2012-06-09 16:00:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Dezolf
I know of at least one person who is/was stockpiling minerals just to take them out of the equation. As in, they won't be putting them back to the market (in "pure" or manufactured form).

Anyway,
If people with huge stockpiles are looking to liquidate over the term of months, one should possibly stay out of the markets. Well, that's what I'd do. Sure; you may be able to make a few bucks, but - depending on the size of the stockpiles - the markets may crash (hard).
So.. One could follow the markets, see if they're looking to crash. Get in, buy cheap, wait, sell high.

But, at least as a station trader, one should also be careful not to buy what one cannot sell. Even if it is a good deal, assets sitting around, appreciating with, say, 1% or less per month? There are better opportunities out there, better places to use isk, more isk to be made elsewhere.

As a manufacturer, I'd be hawking the mineral markets. I'd try to stay on top of prices as much as possible (read, more than normal), and see if there are cheap minerals to buy - and expensive ships/mods/... to sell.

Edit #2:
But I'm obviously not market savvy enough to take advantage of this, and as such, all of my suggestions are moot.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#3 - 2012-06-09 16:19:03 UTC
Machete Visor wrote:
So now we know that a few players are sitting on huge stockpiles of minerals.


Source?

Also, you can profit in most situations. If these "whales" exist all you have to do is to sit on their back and enjoy the ride.

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Fiat Money
EVE Sky Corp
#4 - 2012-06-09 16:27:30 UTC
We are just about to enter the second wave of speculation and those who came late the first time take the chance to invest as long as prices are cheap.

Duno where you get the numbers, but I asume everybody reading devblogs and the latest patches carefully enough is willed to invest a partial in minerals and stuff. Some invest less, others even more, as their liquids allow to do so. So the mass of players makes it, not just a small group.

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what can we deduce from this and how should you play it if you are

A) station trader
B) T1 producer
C) opportunistic SOB


A) station trader -> keep the mineral stock as prices will grow for the next wave, Prices for Zyd, Nocx, Iosogen, Trit are still low enough to buy
B) T1 producer -> take adavantage of the high price volatility of minerals and products (i.e. ships, fitting) and buy low / sell high accordingly
Machete Visor
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-06-09 16:32:55 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Machete Visor wrote:
So now we know that a few players are sitting on huge stockpiles of minerals.


Source?

Also, you can profit in most situations. If these "whales" exist all you have to do is to sit on their back and enjoy the ride.



From the announcement at Fanfest to implementation in Escalation, speculating traders stockpiled large quantites of minerals, for resale after launch.



Maybe it is more than i think... usually tho these patch type plays are executed by people with lots of isk to invest and the result is concentrated...
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#6 - 2012-06-09 17:32:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Machete Visor wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Machete Visor wrote:
So now we know that a few players are sitting on huge stockpiles of minerals.


Source?

Also, you can profit in most situations. If these "whales" exist all you have to do is to sit on their back and enjoy the ride.



From the announcement at Fanfest to implementation in Escalation, speculating traders stockpiled large quantites of minerals, for resale after launch.



Maybe it is more than i think... usually tho these patch type plays are executed by people with lots of isk to invest and the result is concentrated...


Well, I was actually one of those who benefitted off the patch as my illustrated whole trade process shows.

I am not totally sure about stuff going much up during the next 2-3 months though.
Not really watching the markets ATM, I am busy making PvP videos and playing GW2.

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Second Prize
Acid Effect
#7 - 2012-06-09 19:30:49 UTC
who cares about mineral scheme, when i made 140bil out of ancillary shield boosters Cool
qDoctor Strangelove
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-06-09 22:39:37 UTC
Second Prize wrote:
who cares about mineral scheme, when i made 140bil out of ancillary shield boosters Cool

How?
Second Prize
Acid Effect
#9 - 2012-06-09 23:01:24 UTC
qDoctor Strangelove wrote:
Second Prize wrote:
who cares about mineral scheme, when i made 140bil out of ancillary shield boosters Cool

How?


no job, divorced, not too much sleep Big smile
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#10 - 2012-06-10 03:37:54 UTC
Second Prize wrote:
qDoctor Strangelove wrote:
Second Prize wrote:
who cares about mineral scheme, when i made 140bil out of ancillary shield boosters Cool

How?


no job, divorced, not too much sleep Big smile

I'll trade you my gf for 70b?

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
Dezolf
DAX Action Stance
#11 - 2012-06-10 05:08:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Dezolf
Second Prize wrote:
qDoctor Strangelove wrote:
Second Prize wrote:
who cares about mineral scheme, when i made 140bil out of ancillary shield boosters Cool

How?


no job, divorced, not too much sleep Big smile

Wait, wait.. I'm jobless and, eh, "divorceless" (also woman-less), with insomnia. Will I get rich now?

Edit:
Drunk posting, best posting.
David Forge
GameOn Inc.
#12 - 2012-06-10 05:19:45 UTC
Dezolf wrote:
Second Prize wrote:
qDoctor Strangelove wrote:
Second Prize wrote:
who cares about mineral scheme, when i made 140bil out of ancillary shield boosters Cool

How?


no job, divorced, not too much sleep Big smile

Wait, wait.. I'm jobless and, eh, "divorceless" (also woman-less), with insomnia. Will I get rich now?


Send me all your ISK and I will send you twice as much back. Blink
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#13 - 2012-06-11 15:51:38 UTC
Confirming that girlfriends and EvE profits do not mix.

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#14 - 2012-06-11 19:48:39 UTC
Shameless Avenger wrote:
Confirming that girlfriends and EvE profits do not mix.

My wife enjoys my tales of eve. Maybe you just need better women.

This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

fofofo
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#15 - 2012-06-11 20:05:09 UTC
corestwo wrote:
Shameless Avenger wrote:
Confirming that girlfriends and EvE profits do not mix.

My wife enjoys my tales of eve. Maybe you just need better women.


This is one of the benefits of when you save and then marry the Damsel in Distress.

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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#16 - 2012-06-11 21:07:21 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
corestwo wrote:
Shameless Avenger wrote:
Confirming that girlfriends and EvE profits do not mix.

My wife enjoys my tales of eve. Maybe you just need better women.


This is one of the benefits of when you save and then marry the Damsel in Distress.


But the pitfall is you have to strap a 2X4 across your ass on the wedding night Blink
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2012-06-12 03:48:27 UTC
corestwo wrote:
Shameless Avenger wrote:
Confirming that girlfriends and EvE profits do not mix.

My wife enjoys my tales of eve. Maybe you just need better women.


That japanese love-pillow doesent count as a wife even if you had a wedding in second life with it.
papamike
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-06-12 10:21:53 UTC
http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Japanese_50f3fe_48061.jpg

*My girl, my girl, my girl... talking bout... myyyy girl... MY GIRL Oooooo*
LoreSpade Indigo
Diabolical Dominion
#19 - 2012-06-12 12:29:17 UTC
Sorry been partying the last few days i will get on selling my minerals.... i buy so much and ship them. and i am backlogged about 40b in minerals right now :(
Zo Khamez
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2012-06-13 19:16:21 UTC
corestwo wrote:
Shameless Avenger wrote:
Confirming that girlfriends and EvE profits do not mix.

My wife enjoys my tales of eve. Maybe you just need better women.


Any implants for improving your current woman?
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