EVE General Discussion

This just in! Ganking is 100% successful.



But sometimes it's not.

You seem to have missed the part were you can do it with 3 drones, and the part were I said .6 and .7.

Know how I know this? Because I did it as a newb miner in a retriever in .6 and .7 belts, and never once lost a ship to a single rat spawn. Those 3 drones were the ONLY thing I used to protect myself.

You can more then enough options to protect yourself from other players in those same systems. You guys are refusing to listen to anything anyone says, and come up with one excuse after another to say that it's not possible, when it is.


I guarantee if CCP came out and said that everything is working as intended and that miners have the ability to protect themselves by either utilizing thier fittings in a way that would make it impossible for someone to suicide gank them, or to start working with others, that you guys would tell CCP they were wrong, that there's no way to stop someone from ganking you, and that CCP needs to make the hulk impossible to be blown up in hi sec or remove the ability to suicide gank.

You guys can deny it till you're blue in the face. The demands to give the hulk more "tank" without having to actually use fittings to do so is just another way of telling CCP to remove suicide ganks from hi sec.

Once again a moron completely fails to understand what it is that players are actually averse to.

Carebears are averse to loss.

Gankers don't care about loss at all. But are averse to failure.

Carebears risk loss, gankers risk failure.

They can be prevented from doing what they want, miners just won't do it. Also the whole not bringing any weapons into space thing is idiocy in its own right.

We agree, however, that the risk isn't the destruction of the ship, as that is a given. The risk is in whether or not the cost (ship) achieves the desired effect (another ship destruction). While you may not see this as risk, I assure you it most certainly is.

Did I mention that nobody can stop miners from doing what they want, either, if they would just do it right?

No, not the way I want them to. Right.

Exactly my point, too.

That gankers risk failure instead of loss is no less of a risk. Further, the ganker actually chooses to engage in the risky behavior. The high-sec miner drones on in the deluded belief that he is protected and that because he presents himself with no defenses or weapons he is therefore a dishonorable target.

Nobody gives a rat's ass about honor. Give us your T2 salvage and spend more on Tech-infused Hulks, please.

Because every suicide gank attempt occurs with only two actors present, right?

You already saw a nerf to suicide ganking in Crucible with the removal of insurance for ships killed by CONCORD - what more do you want?

Technically, you can Suicide Gank an Online POS. You just have to do it in two waves.


The suggestions we make to miners are:
Fit your ship to make ganking you less profitable and harder, thus less likely. This requires sacrificing some yield.
OR
Fly your ship actively to make ganking you next to impossible. This takes some effort.

Nothing short of perfect safety.

They want to bloat their wallets in total safety and seclusion, not interacting with other players while they gain an economic advantage over people they want nothing to do with. They want to be able to do this in such safety and seclusion that they can go do laundry at the laundromat and then go out for ice cream and come home with more currency than they left with because of the improbable RMT scheme that becomes possible in this ludicrous pipe-dreamworld.

I think that about covers it.

What is this I don't even

Edit: I was not talking about buying plexes as an RMT scheme.

The scheme I'm talking about is much more improbable. It's not intended by CCP.

And they will never create an environment where it can happen.

So enjoy getting ganked in unaligned untanked Hulks. Buy more please, OTEC thanks you.

Also, thanks for the T2 salvage.