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Rorqual Compression
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Gumby Ambraelle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-06-08 19:31:34 UTC
When compressing ore in a Rorqual, how do you calculate the stront use?

My plan is to run all 4 lines compressing the same ore....

Thanks for any help and suggestions
Jason Lore
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-06-08 19:53:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Jason Lore
What stront use?


As for consumption, you could just take a look at the mod (as in show info) and see it uses 1000 units of heavy water per 300 seconds.

Then you can see from the skill it has as a prerequisite, Industrial Reconfiguration, that this skill reduces consumption by 50 units per cycle. (Yeah, it does say per activation but that's just gotta be some dumbass writing the info screen.)

Then you look at the ship info screen, and see for Capital Industrial Ship skill you get "-5% reduction in fuel consumption for industrial cores per level"

But, how can you know which comes first, the 50-unit per level bonus or the -5% per level one?

If you're a dumbass like most of us, yours truly included, then you can fire up EFT and see that apparently -5% / lvl comes first, if EFT has it right of course. This means with maxed skills you get 1000*0,75 = 750 from ship skill bonus, and then -250 units from the core skill, leaving you at 500 units per cycle, which was 300 seconds or 5 minutes.

If you don't want to calculate max job lenght (limited by your cargo size) yourself, the browse chrukers tables at
http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/ship_rorqual.php
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#3 - 2012-06-08 22:10:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
I search my posts when people ask questions in this forum. Gawd I post too much.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1257694#post1257694

Tau Cabalander wrote:
You can do up to 4x the cargohold capacity at the same time, with one run roughly every 36 seconds with PE researched BPO.

Compression rates: http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/ship_rorqual.php

The burn rate on fuel is skill dependent:

Heavy Water per 5 minute Activation = 1000 * (1 - Industrial Reconfiguration * 0.05) * (1 - Capital Industrial Ships * 0.05)
Jason Lore
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-06-09 00:29:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Jason Lore
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Gawd I post too much.


Yeah, 2nd thread yesterday in which you post something that's already been said in the thread before you posted, by me and others, regarding rorq. Smile
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#5 - 2012-06-09 01:52:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Well, in this case I posted the formula. The skill descriptions are misleading about how the fuel consumption is actually calculated. I thought the formula would clarify the description given above.

As for previous days posts, in my defence I always post with a similar goal: to make things easier to understand, or to add additional info.

I'm not always successful it seems Cry Sorry.
Trollin
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-06-09 03:20:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Trollin
I <3 Tau's posts

Does it srsly cause u anguish that he posts? or am i reading wrong?

He is like the 1 person in eve who will give a straight answer and try to help pretty much anybody, the rest of us are all trolls by comparison

We are our own worst enemy.
Jason Lore
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-06-09 09:39:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Jason Lore
Yes you're reading wrong Trolling.


And Tau, no need to apologize. The difference between your post and mine in these two threads is indeed clarity, and ease of use. But this is not by chance, or by omission. See, it's the whole give a fish, teach to fish. I'd prefer the asker to put in a tiny bit of effort themselves, while you even pre-chew the fish for them.


Tau Cabalander wrote:
Well, in this case I posted the formula.


So did I, except I didn't just write it out, I showed how to derive it from the two skill descriptions involved. Something that can be done with most such things in Eve. Blink

Although granted the order in which bonuses are applied were a little unclear. I'm still not sure if ship skill bonus is *always* calculated before module skill bonus, or if there are exceptions.
Gumby Ambraelle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-06-11 10:53:31 UTC
Thank you for your response....

I was unclear in my question.... I am not the one running the rorqual, it is some one else in my corp...

I am doing the planning for compression of ore for a corporate minning operation

When I searched the forum I could not find an answer to the question, but obviously I searched incorrectly as the answer was out there.

Thanks again, this is very helpful