EVE General Discussion

After reading the describtions of the 4 "groups" i saw, that they all have "good" and "bad" things. With having in mind, that no society is really homogeneous, i could imagine to be somehow "compliant" to the big things, but have personal different attitude in some things. Then i choosed the Caldari, because i was trying to archive the "best looking toon" for my taste.

And by the way: Caldari ships look good, i dislike the Gallente ones

I chose Caldari because i wanted to shield tank and shoot missiles, politics didn't enter into it. I'm a registered Independent.

Because the other factions are religious zealots, former slaves with junkheap ships (in appearance not in ability), and french, respectively.

No thanks.

Points:

- The empires in this game have features and facets of various RL societies but try as I have, it's hard to pin down who in RL is what in this game. If CCP did that on purpose to prevent, say, Russians from all going Caldari and Americans all going Gallente, then they did a good job.

- I get called a liberal by fascistic neocons with whom I have dueled with at various GOP conventions, and I have socialist neolibs calling me a conservative in Seattle where I duel with them in public forums. Where have we seen liberals actually liberate or conservatives actually conserve? Useless labels.

- What would be called "liberal" in one country would be called "conservative" in another. In a game forum that crosses international lines, I don't think these labels are accurate.

Actually the Dictionary has 6 different meanings for the word liberal the 6th listed being germaine to a political discussion

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a: of, favoring, or based upon the principles of liberalism bcapitalized: of or constituting a political party advocating or associated with the principles of political liberalism; especially: of or constituting a political party in the United Kingdom associated with ideals of individual especially economic freedom, greater individual participation in government, and constitutional, political, and administrative reforms designed to secure these objectives

This translates in American politics to government programs designed to benefit people who need it. (i.e. bigger government) typically espoused as the Democrat parties core principle as opposed to the Republican party whose core principle is smaller government. Tax dollars are used on these programs that help those who need it so in a since it is a redistribution of wealth, an attribute of socialism. It really doesn't have anything to do with freedom in this context. Abraham Lincoln who emancipated the slaves in our country was a Republican. As for not understanding the concept of helping others, at 5 cents per capita the US gives more foreign aid per capita than any other country in the world.

Yep, lesson learned. This is a wide open public role palying game about a place and time far removed from rl. You really don't want to give rl kooks that play it an opportunity to engage in an evengelical or partisan quest to convince fellow gamers of their rl political or religious views. What may seem to be a funny disjunction from your particular perspective and experience is best left discussed with those whom you already have a very good friendship in game (and even then . . .).

Best to keep rl politics out of the forums, corp chat, alliance chat, alliance forums, basically everywhere having to do with the game unless it is a subforum or chat channel specifically delineated as engaging in rl political discussions.

It is a rather old nugget of wisdom, that It is impolite to open the topics of religion and politics in a social setting. Eve is a social setting. Keep rl religion and politics out of the game.

I'm not going to get in an argument over conservatives / constitution (libertrian party , republican party) vs. liberal / socialist / comunist belief (democrat party) but I would agree ours is backwards and I know that, and its due to u.s. History such as progressive movement in early 1900.


Now what you believe is up to you, I not going to argue who is right or wrong, just stating the belief differences.

Funny that wasn't one of the 6 meanings listed in Websters.

Clue:

That's because most modern people's definition of liberalism--and most things socio-political--iis highly subjective, and has been changing a lot in the last 50-odd years. One can only go so far in objectively defining that.

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Apropos nothing else whatsoever, what the f is a "waitor," anyway?

In that the State doesn't care where one is originally from, or what their background/race/colour/whatever is--a quite progressive outlook, don't you think--as long as they are willing to work hard for the benefit of the community (externalised as one's family, surrounding community, and ultimately one's megacorp.), and those who prove their merit through their own hard work will be rewarded.

Quite a good gestalt of a progressive "base" as regards how individuals are seen, mixing with traditionally "conservative" values vis-a-vis the broader community, don't you think?

Oh, and I think I'm not the only one who thinks the Caldari are totally bad-ass, and finds their lore/mythos compelling.

(The other three races--and I absolutely love Minmatar, just to be clear--are just a bit too obviously "stock," a bit too much a pastiche of old, old sci-fi tropes, if you see what I mean. The Caldari mythos is actually somewhat original. It's part of the reason why IC Tarryn is a Caldari sympathiser :))

That, and "FIER ZEE MISSULZ!!!111ONEONE1!"