Market Discussions

Last few weeks I've been gathering info about markets, trading, hauling and read a lot on these forums and was wondering one last thing.

When does a ganker consider you a target? I know never to fly what you can't afford to lose and an align time as fast as possible minimizes the window of opportunity. But at how much isk worth of goods in relation to the EHP of your ship and the bulk of the cargo does it become profittable to gank my ship?

Im starting off with my trading using a Mammoth after which im scaling up to a Orca and/or Freighter. I'm not asking for fitting advice, they're there purely to give an idea of EHP.

Last thing. Does the kind of cargo matter for a ganker? Low volume and high value are more interesting then high volume low value items I reckon. But are certain items highly sought after or doesn't it matter a whole lot?

Thank you for your feedback.

Well if you're ganking to make a profit there must be a point where you decide that's it worth getting blown up for.

If you want to blow up say a orca with a certain EHP you need to bring enough dps to bear before getting blown up by Concord. If the ganking ship costs more than you could possibly earn from my cargo, then I'm at least "safe" from smart gankers.

Griefers are gonne grieve and the world is filled with dumb people, I'm just trying to minimalize the risk. I know I can't mitigate it entirely. Hell I don't even want to, that's what makes Eve fun.

That's exactly what I'm trying to figure out : What does it cost to gank a mammoth, orca or freighter

The reason why I'm in a hauler in the first place is because I'm not a combat pilot, so got little experience in ganking. And was hoping for some rough numbers to keep in mind when filling my hold.

Get to the Orca, put any valuable stuff in the Corp hangar. Install a DCU2 and Bulks in the low slots, while using 1xEM, 3xAdap [UPDATED].

The orca is the most special transport ship, since u can't cargo scan the corp bays, even more important even if u get destroyed nothing from the corp/ore/ship special hangars will drop, only from the normal cargo bay.
This effectively means, that u will only considered as a target in hi-sec, if u pissed off some player/corps or someone contracted a merc to kill u, since it makes no sense at all to attack an orca if the normal cargo-bay has no valuable stuff in it.

This orca fit btw, will have around 230-290EHP, this means u need 12-30 ships that have around 1000 dmg/s avg. in hi-sec.

For any other ship simply consider this, a well fitted tornado will alpha for 10-14k now keep in mind that u only get shot once in 0.7+ sec systems, while u can get shot twice in 0.5-0.6. Now check what a tornado cost and get a feeling for how many tornado's u see at gates. This means u should at least get 16k+ EHP, since u can't do this with most indy haulers its always risky. So your best bet is the orca or a blockade runner. U can use freighters if the cargo is to huge for a orca, but u can still scan a freighter and the freighter will also always drop stuff.

TIP1: Orca rules in hi-sec
TIP2: fully tanked T2 command BC, since u can get 900k EHP (still low crago hold)
TIP3: Contract containers with shiny stuff from an alt to your main and put a ****-load of dummy crap/salvage stuff in your cargo. Thats because the scanner will only show the container inside a contract and not its content, the dummy stuff is simply to conceal the container better in those few seconds a "pirate" has to make his decision. Be aware that for cheap indy haulers, they may always consider that a visible container does mean shiny loot. The idea is that they still cant be 100% sure, so if u haul over the gank limit, its still better to do this from a psychological standpoint.

bye Andy

That was my first thought as well but how long does the tank have to last? Was planning on passive tanking anyway, but hey while im asking anyway :)

Generally the Gankproofness for small, valuable cargo is roughly
Orca(CorpHangar Only) > Damnation w/ MWD Cloak > BLOPS (instawarp on decloak) > Force Recon/Cloaky T3 > CovOps/BR > Else

Orca: If they don't know it's there, you won't get ganked (might fill the cargo with assorted HS mins of low total value)
Damnation: ~1m EHP (1.7m v Quake), Troll the gankers, letting them see the goodies. Hope they try without scanning your fit.
BLOPS: Big Tank, effectively warps cloakd (for HS purposes, since seeing it approach isn't helpful) Also lets you jump to LS near destination, cutting time
Recon: Cloaky Warp, Good align, Good Shield EHP (fit for Tank)
Covops: Oh God, the Smartbombs

For Bulk, you want the freighter. Just figure out how much isk you're willing to pack into it (based on gank profit).

The Orca's security is that it can move 40k m3 in it's corp hangar that nobody can see.

The t3 BCs coincided with the insurance nerf. The cost of ganking is up from before that patch, especially with the increase in mineral price.

This. If you need it in more of a hurry, Push or Red Frog can be good, depending on their queue's.

20 seconds until concord arrives?

what?
is that in lowsec?

you're going to get ganked by 15-20 tornados.
Depends on the sec-system they'll get one shot, as if they're loaded with 1400mm's they won't get another shot.
meaning that the fight won't last 20 seconds, it'll last 5 more likely.

that's if anyone's silly enough to gank an orca.