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WiS has become vaporware, the CONSTRUCTIVE approach.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
#1 - 2012-06-08 07:04:24 UTC
First off, the relevant sources:

Two Step's blog

Seleene's blog

Alekseyev Karrde's blog

According to these accounts about the Incarna meeting during the CSM-CCP meeting, CCP showed them some NDA "cool" Incarna stuff, but also in a previous meeting they were shown NDA development plans for 6, 12 and 18 months, and none of them included any of the "cool" Incarna content.

Also both Two Step and Seleene claim that they found that inmediate development plans for Incarna were missing.

Also, CCP hammered that there will NOT be any "Jesus Features", whereas the "cool" content for Incarna would require a "Jesus feature" launch, due to the magnitude of the "coolness" in it (LOTS of art assets and mechanics, all in a single stride),

This all reinforces the idea that WiS is something that there are plans about doing it somewhen, but in the meanwhile nothing real is going to be done about it beyond minimal trimming and chit-chatting on the issue. Thus the "gameplay first" + "no Jesus features" approach is becoming a useful excuse to not do anything about Incarna and essentially turning it into somehing announced without a release date nor concrete development plans.

And the industry name for that is "vaporware".

Now to the CONSTRUCTIVE point so CCP Phantom won't lock this:

What can pro-WiSers do to convince CCP to change its plans about backburning WiS sine die for no good reason as far as we are concerned?
Saia Tae Arragosa
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-06-08 07:08:07 UTC
Clearly WiS is the least of CCP's concerns right now. They have other fish to fry, like Dust and later WoD. EVE players can be damned lucky to see any serious content for the next 18 months - or more.
Disregard That
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-06-08 07:09:23 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
First off, the relevant sources:

Two Step's blog

Seleene's blog

Alekseyev Karrde's blog

According to these accounts about the Incarna meeting during the CSM-CCP meeting, CCP showed them some NDA "cool" Incarna stuff, but also in a previous meeting they were shown NDA development plans for 6, 12 and 18 months, and none of them included any of the "cool" Incarna content.

Also both Two Step and Seleene claim that they found that inmediate development plans for Incarna were missing.

Also, CCP hammered that there will NOT be any "Jesus Features", whereas the "cool" content for Incarna would require a "Jesus feature" launch, due to the magnitude of the "coolness" in it (LOTS of art assets and mechanics, all in a single stride),

This all reinforces the idea that WiS is something that there are plans about doing it somewhen, but in the meanwhile nothing real is going to be done about it beyond minimal trimming and chit-chatting on the issue. Thus the "gameplay first" + "no Jesus features" approach is becoming a useful excuse to not do anything about Incarna and essentially turning it into somehing announced without a release date nor concrete development plans.

And the industry name for that is "vaporware".

Now to the CONSTRUCTIVE point so CCP Phantom won't lock this:

What can pro-WiSers do to convince CCP to change its plans about backburning WiS sine die for no good reason as far as we are concerned?

Hint: They watch what you do, not what you say.
Saia Tae Arragosa
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-06-08 07:14:32 UTC
Disregard That wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
First off, the relevant sources:

Two Step's blog

Seleene's blog

Alekseyev Karrde's blog

According to these accounts about the Incarna meeting during the CSM-CCP meeting, CCP showed them some NDA "cool" Incarna stuff, but also in a previous meeting they were shown NDA development plans for 6, 12 and 18 months, and none of them included any of the "cool" Incarna content.

Also both Two Step and Seleene claim that they found that inmediate development plans for Incarna were missing.

Also, CCP hammered that there will NOT be any "Jesus Features", whereas the "cool" content for Incarna would require a "Jesus feature" launch, due to the magnitude of the "coolness" in it (LOTS of art assets and mechanics, all in a single stride),

This all reinforces the idea that WiS is something that there are plans about doing it somewhen, but in the meanwhile nothing real is going to be done about it beyond minimal trimming and chit-chatting on the issue. Thus the "gameplay first" + "no Jesus features" approach is becoming a useful excuse to not do anything about Incarna and essentially turning it into somehing announced without a release date nor concrete development plans.

And the industry name for that is "vaporware".

Now to the CONSTRUCTIVE point so CCP Phantom won't lock this:

What can pro-WiSers do to convince CCP to change its plans about backburning WiS sine die for no good reason as far as we are concerned?

Hint: They watch what you do, not what you say.


Maybe you should not speak on behalf for CCP or are they incapable of doing so on their own?
Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
#5 - 2012-06-08 07:18:57 UTC
Disregard That wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
First off, the relevant sources:

Two Step's blog

Seleene's blog

Alekseyev Karrde's blog

According to these accounts about the Incarna meeting during the CSM-CCP meeting, CCP showed them some NDA "cool" Incarna stuff, but also in a previous meeting they were shown NDA development plans for 6, 12 and 18 months, and none of them included any of the "cool" Incarna content.

Also both Two Step and Seleene claim that they found that inmediate development plans for Incarna were missing.

Also, CCP hammered that there will NOT be any "Jesus Features", whereas the "cool" content for Incarna would require a "Jesus feature" launch, due to the magnitude of the "coolness" in it (LOTS of art assets and mechanics, all in a single stride),

This all reinforces the idea that WiS is something that there are plans about doing it somewhen, but in the meanwhile nothing real is going to be done about it beyond minimal trimming and chit-chatting on the issue. Thus the "gameplay first" + "no Jesus features" approach is becoming a useful excuse to not do anything about Incarna and essentially turning it into somehing announced without a release date nor concrete development plans.

And the industry name for that is "vaporware".

Now to the CONSTRUCTIVE point so CCP Phantom won't lock this:

What can pro-WiSers do to convince CCP to change its plans about backburning WiS sine die for no good reason as far as we are concerned?

Hint: They watch what you do, not what you say.


pretty much, thats why the thousands of players throwing a galatic temper tantrum spitting dummies like t2 autocannons and such got CCP to rapidly about face from 99% of incarna content ie the nex shop and walking in stations. And get them back into working on the space stuff that the people wanted.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-06-08 07:26:46 UTC
This is a spaceship game, not WiS Online.

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Arugas Koken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-06-08 07:35:45 UTC
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
Clearly WiS is the least of CCP's concerns right now. They have other fish to fry, like Dust and later WoD. EVE players can be damned lucky to see any serious content for the next 18 months - or more.


How does Dust or WoD affect the development of EVE?
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-06-08 08:05:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Snow Axe
Incarna was an unmitigated disaster, and you want CCP to get right back to work on it before they even really know what it's even going to be now that it's not just a window shop for the NeX store?

You're just a fountain of great ideas, aren't you?

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#9 - 2012-06-08 09:38:22 UTC
Stop paying for the game you want, possibly, in the future (nope). Enjoy flying in space, that's why we're here. If you're not, download a dress-up game.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#10 - 2012-06-08 09:43:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Brooks Puuntai
Give it time. Vaporware isn't really the right word for it since they even stated they where putting WIS development on hold. Its only been what 1 year since the whole Incarna fiasco? There are many issues with the actual spaceship part of the game that needs work, and that holds a higher priority then WIS.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-06-08 11:02:32 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:


What can pro-WiSers do to convince CCP to change its plans about backburning WiS sine die for no good reason as far as we are concerned?


Nothing. Not a single thing. The players have spoken. While we think an avatar based WIS game within EVE would be cool but we do not want a buggy mess at the expense of all other work on EVE. There is a list of features that need iteration and those need to be made a priority over any WIS development.

Incarna brought no new players to EVE and neglecting the other gameplay areas of EVE brought massive unsubs. Simple math for CCP.
Lipbite
Express Hauler
#12 - 2012-06-08 11:16:01 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
This is a spaceship game, not WiS Online.


Yes-yes - also it's group PvP oriented game where 75% of players not interesting in PvP and 50% play solo mostly. Stop this "only spaceships" non-sense already, please - either game will be developed further or it will die sooner or later.

I believe there is no way to make CCP listen because they are too scared after their NeX/WiS failure. Yet another f*k up like that and they'll lose half of their employees.
Wu Jiaqiu
#13 - 2012-06-08 11:19:47 UTC
So I rememeber resubbing back in 2009 just because I heard Incarna with its gambling and board games and other features were going to be released. Being able to see your character is an important thing for me in any game. I haven't stopped playing EVE since. I hope CCP does go to work on Incarna again.

My 2 cents. ^^
Kyshonuba
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-06-08 12:14:32 UTC
I remember one of the CSM guys saying (was it town hall meeting 19.05.2012 ?) that avatar modelling is done by CCP in the context of develloping "World of Darkness" .... which looks like a 90 % " Walking in Cities" doesn 't it ?
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-06-08 12:15:53 UTC
i dunno... how many people are even bothered about walking in station anymore?

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION
Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-06-08 12:27:15 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Spitfire
I too pay for features in commodities that don't yet exist, then complain that the features I am paying for don't exist.

Unsubscribe, check the gaming news every month, subscribe again when the features you want to play and pay for actually exist.

Please refrain from personal attacks. Spitfire
Sir Asterix
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-06-08 12:28:54 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
What can pro-WiSers do to convince CCP to change its plans about backburning WiS


Do what every other forum member does when they want to get there own way. Have a tantrum on the forums ending with a threat to un-sub their accounts.
Jame Jarl Retief
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-06-08 12:55:28 UTC
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
Clearly WiS is the least of CCP's concerns right now. They have other fish to fry, like Dust and later WoD. EVE players can be damned lucky to see any serious content for the next 18 months - or more.


That would be a pretty big mistake, considering DUST has more than an even chance of flopping, and vampires are not everybody's cup of tea. If they try to do all three, they might end up losing all three in the process.
AFK Hauler
State War Academy
#19 - 2012-06-08 13:20:15 UTC
In before LOCK again...

WiS being the no go option for EVE is fantastic!

/thread - AGAIN.
Price Check Aisle3
#20 - 2012-06-08 13:22:45 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
This is a spaceship game, not WiS Online.

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