EVE Fiction

KBTRIPSTA, I think you're right that we should not take the revelations from templar one as end all be all fact. CCP could certainly change things around ingame. Its also not information that our ingame characters could possibly have access to, so its not like we can act on it ingame.

I don't agree, however, that it clashes with ingame knowledge or with A'J.

The link between the sleepers and Jove is heavily implied in many of the descriptions from the sleeper components, though not their exact relationship to each-other ofcourse. Its always been a popular theory among roleplayers that they be related.
In fact the whole backstory is just that: a backstory for these factions, you can accept it as such, ignore it, or invent your own. As far as ingame RP goes, its all fine.

The only thing that is introduced in the books that has ingame repercussions (of sorts) is "the other" in Jamyl Sarum. Its a central character that basically drives the entire plot, but we as players have no way of knowing this, or reacting to it.

This bit annoys me a little, but the whole jove-sleepers backstory I found entertaining and rather cool.

HA.
A jovian ship can figth many ships of his own class constructed by other empires at the same time. What would they do with "only" 4 titans? That would be like fielding... 16? Maybe 20+ Avatars?

Yes, Vakoth was a figth against non-capsuleers, but why are you assuming that jovians are not ALL capsuleers themselves? After all, it was them who gave Ishukone the capsuleer tech. Why would they give Ishukone a tech that they think bad for themselves? And tbh, seeing how wrong (in terms of massive genocide) is it going, I would be very surprised if they didn't anticipated this posibility and placed a backdoor to hack all our capsuleer neural interfaces.



This sounds like a reasonable and disturbing posibility.



No, no, that's not posible. Incursions began time ago (2 years maybe?), but it wasn't until the end of the Templar One events (which is some months ago) when the Sansha troops found The Broker' bunker. So we will likely see Sansha reapearing soon doing strange things.

And iirc, the Other is not a fully grown Sleeper. It was a prototype, the first intended-to-be sleeper, but it was imperfect and it went wrong, ultimately leading to a rebellion of this Other against their former "captors".

Many of us have argued these points for years now, but, it has gained very little traction with the community, more so amongst newer players who have less knowledge of the old canon lore..

I have always believed the current races are the survivors of a war that shattered the First Jovian Empire. I also believe the Jovians shut the Eve Gate to found said First Empire, but, I am just a crazy conspiracy theorist..

I also believe that the scattered remains of the different Jovian Factions were to be found in every Empire.. I still believe the Sebiestor are in some way related to the Caldari.. As are the Tash Murkon family..

It is canon knowledge that the original concept involved seven subraces for each of the four factions... Seven Tribes of the Matari, seven tribes formed the Aztec Empire, my posited inspiration for the Talocan. Seven seems to be a magic number around here.. And then we have the real world history of the Theosophical Society, whose stated goals appear to mirror those of the Jovians... The Jovians DO have seven sub-groups to their race..

"Blavatsky helped found the Theosophical Society in New York City in 1875 with the motto, "There is no Religion higher than Truth". Its other principal founding members include Henry Steel Olcott (1832–1907), and William Quan Judge (1851–1896). After several changes and iterations its declared objectives became the following:

1.To form a nucleus of the Universal Brotherhood of Humanity, without distinction of race, creed, sex, caste, or color.
2.To encourage the study of Comparative Religion, Philosophy, and Science.
3.To investigate the unexplained laws of Nature and the powers latent in man.


"Theosophy holds that the manifested universe is ordered by the number seven, a common claim among Esoteric and mystical doctrines and religions. Thus, the evolutionary "pilgrimage" proceeds cyclically through seven stages, the three first steps involving an apparent involution, the fourth one being one of equilibrium, and the last three involving a progressive development."

And they believe in Root Races and solar entities that guide the evolution of mankind, again, the magic number is seven cycles before they reach the next step in evolution..

"The atom is elastic, ergo, the atom is divisible, and must consist of particles, or of sub-atoms. And these sub-atoms? They are either non-elastic, and in such case they represent no dynamic importance, or, they are elastic also; and in that case, they, too, are subject to divisibility. And thus ad infinitum. But infinite divisibility of atoms resolves matter into simple centers of force, i.e., precludes the possibility of conceiving matter as an objective substance." a.k.a. Arcane Physics...

Finally, I would add that Sansha refers to himself as "Master".. So, has he completed the 5th Initiation?

And while the circumstantial evidence is compelling, nothing concrete is to be found in-game, so I'm a nut...

If I recall correctly, he was educated by them... As were a great many other important folk in New Eden.. But, no, not in the manner you suggest.. Though I could be wrong, it is a possibility I HAVE entertained.. I would say more that he has learned some NEW tricks from somewhere....

Conscious Thought vs. Unconscious Thought (i.e. Sleep and dreaming) The Sleepers could be thought to have "loosely" Ascended.. Then we have the term Hyperconscious...

I have also wondered if the Society is in opposition to the Sleepers, but, then why are the Sister's so dead set on opposing the Society?

As to the Ascended Masters, remove the metaphysical trappings and add technology as the initiating force.. Suppose then that Sansha learned some interesting concepts from his time training at the SoCT enclaves and acted upon them himself..

And then we have the Intaki to consider.. As well as the Achur and their Holy Relics...

What I understood is that it was all like the use of dynamite to open mines.
Only that in this case the dynamite was Isogen-5 and the mines were wormholes. Riches await inside both, but what the people who prepared this bomb were looking for was the means of travelling faster than Jump gate routes.

Err no, they closed the borders due to a war they are losing against a more advanced enemy. All the gates got blown up to stop the enemy useing the Jove against us.

That is not true. All real recorded battles of Jove fights have had the Jove perform poorly. Jove can barely win 1v1 anymore and would not stand a chance 4v1. I would even argue our constant wars over the years and backwards engineering of Sleeper technology has pushed our war technology in advance over Jove who have been stagnant. All known modern Jove ships are inferior to our war ships.

Ooh, I had no idea about this one.

double post.

Here's a headscratcher for you Jovian theorists.

Remember the Jovian who blew himself up during a teleporter experiment of some kind, and required bits of him to be harvested from all over the galaxy?

What I'm wondering is... why would a dying race need teleportation so badly? Where are they going?