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We Aren't Trying Hard Enough

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sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2012-06-08 00:42:19 UTC
Ginseng Jita wrote:
sabre906 wrote:
Or CCP can take 75% of their income and donate it to fund therapy for recovering kb-humpers. Same effect.Big smile


No, it just means CCP is so caught up in pleasing a small percentage of their player base, when clearly there is a larger portion that wants more PvE aspects added. I bet if CCP were to really do something about adding WiS and more PvE elements, this games subs would go through the roof.


But CCP will have to actually work for pve content. So instead of that, they take Mittani and call it pvp content.Big smile
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#22 - 2012-06-08 00:42:29 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
It's hard to PvP and surf pron at the same time Sad


No it isn't, just log forum and go GD section. Learn to be pro Lol

brb
EVE Roy Mustang
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-06-08 00:42:50 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
Ginseng Jita wrote:
sabre906 wrote:
Or CCP can take 75% of their income and donate it to fund therapy for recovering kb-humpers. Same effect.Big smile


No, it just means CCP is so caught up in pleasing a small percentage of their player base, when clearly there is a larger portion that wants more PvE aspects added. I bet if CCP were to really do something about adding WiS and more PvE elements, this games subs would go through the roof.


Yep, but it wouldn't be EVE anymore. And I wouldn't be playing it.


You wouldnt be missed by the teeming masses of casuals that would then play it...

Reminds me of the Family Guy where Peter cancels the reservation to Cheezy Charlie's and the dude is jumped with 40 ppl trying to get that reservation
Malphilos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-06-08 00:43:02 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
It's hard to PvP and surf pron at the same time Sad


Somebody only read the thread title.

Huzzah for you, sir!
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#25 - 2012-06-08 00:44:28 UTC  |  Edited by: masternerdguy
Ginseng Jita wrote:

If all the people in null-sec left, others would move in and take their place. The game is not all about null-sec. Never has been. It is because of this fact that a few. like yourself that whine and moan about the rest of the game, that the rest of the game is constantly being shelved to address a small percentage of players. There are more people playing than just you - remember that....many, many, many, more.


We've seen your hi sec community in action with the recent incursion nerf.

"We're a vital and relevant roleplaying community CCP and the bonds we've forged will endure through time"

--1 nerf later--

"ISK/hr for incursion not good enough I'm gonna solo level 4s again"

Yep. You guys totally have the drive, determination, and skill it takes to build a nullsec empire. You only complain about it because nullsec is too hard for you because it would require you to form real connections with other people and actually fight for something.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
EVE Roy Mustang
Doomheim
#26 - 2012-06-08 00:45:13 UTC
Ginseng Jita wrote:

If all the people in null-sec left, others would move in and take their place. The game is not all about null-sec. Never has been. It is because of this fact that a few. like yourself that whine and moan about the rest of the game, that the rest of the game is constantly being shelved to address a small percentage of players. There are more people playing than just you - remember that....many, many, many, more.


75% of characters if I remember right
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2012-06-08 00:45:19 UTC
Malphilos wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
It's hard to PvP and surf pron at the same time Sad


Somebody only read the thread title.

Huzzah for you, sir!


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Christopher Dulson
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2012-06-08 00:46:24 UTC
i dont know why people think that pve automatically means mining.


Why most people play solo or mostly solo;

1. have you ever tried to do something with a lot of people in this game. It takes forever just to form up let alone run a sweep of lowsec or spent hours station camping/gate camping. If its a weekday and you have a job to go to then solo is sometimes the only option.

2. Running missions/nullbearing is always a good way to raise isk

3. If you only have an hour or two to kill then group work is not an option.

4. lots more that i cant remember
Greyscale Dash
Doomheim
#29 - 2012-06-08 00:47:10 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
Ginseng Jita wrote:

If all the people in null-sec left, others would move in and take their place. The game is not all about null-sec. Never has been. It is because of this fact that a few. like yourself that whine and moan about the rest of the game, that the rest of the game is constantly being shelved to address a small percentage of players. There are more people playing than just you - remember that....many, many, many, more.


We've seen your hi sec community in action with the recent incursion nerf.

"We're a vital and relevant roleplaying community CCP and the bonds we've forged will endure through time"

--1 nerf later--

"ISK/hr for incursion not good enough I'm gonna solo level 4s again"

Yep. You guys totally have the drive, determination, and skill it takes to build a nullsec empire. You only complain about it because nullsec is too hard for you because it would require you to form real connections with other people and actually fight for something.


Not empty quoting.
Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
#30 - 2012-06-08 00:47:54 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
Ginseng Jita wrote:

If all the people in null-sec left, others would move in and take their place. The game is not all about null-sec. Never has been. It is because of this fact that a few. like yourself that whine and moan about the rest of the game, that the rest of the game is constantly being shelved to address a small percentage of players. There are more people playing than just you - remember that....many, many, many, more.


We've seen your hi sec community in action with the recent incursion nerf.

"We're a vital and relevant roleplaying community CCP and the bonds we've forged will endure through time"

--1 nerf later--

"ISK/hr for incursion not good enough I'm gonna solo level 4s again"

Yep. You guys totally have the drive, determination, and skill it takes to build a nullsec empire. You only complain about it because nullsec is too hard for you because it would require you to form real connections with other people and actually fight for something.


OMG - null-sec is for a few people that live eat and breath EVE. That is the truth of the matter. There are far more pople that play this game on a more casual basis. They are not interested in holding territories. They just want to play a sci-fi game. EVE is one of the only really decent sci-fi games out right now. If another triple AAA - good sci-fi game - was on the market - that had the same sandbox qualites - EVE would die.
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#31 - 2012-06-08 00:49:54 UTC
Ginseng Jita wrote:


OMG - null-sec is for a few people that live eat and breath EVE. That is the truth of the matter. There are far more pople that play this game on a more casual basis. They are not interested in holding territories. They just want to play a sci-fi game. EVE is one of the only really decent sci-fi games out right now. If another triple AAA - good sci-fi game - was on the market - that had the same sandbox qualites - EVE would die.


Translation: I indeed affirm and swear I cannot cut it in nullsec.

I bet you used to do vanguards.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-06-08 00:50:09 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:

Then all is a lie and this game is as linear as any other. Time to abandon all illusions of choice, limited as they were and abandon ship then?

Nullsec is the purest part of the EVE sandbox.

No, if null is the place where all should end up it is the endgame, and thus the game as a whole is not a sandbox.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#33 - 2012-06-08 00:50:39 UTC
EVE Roy Mustang wrote:
75% of characters if I remember right
You don't.

Ginseng Jita wrote:
There are more people playing than just you - remember that....many, many, many, more.
Unfortunately, there are no hard numbers to that effect.
Disregard That
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2012-06-08 00:51:17 UTC
Christopher Dulson wrote:
i dont know why people think that pve automatically means mining.


Why most people play solo or mostly solo;

1. have you ever tried to do something with a lot of people in this game. It takes forever just to form up let alone run a sweep of lowsec or spent hours station camping/gate camping. If its a weekday and you have a job to go to then solo is sometimes the only option.

2. Running missions/nullbearing is always a good way to raise isk

3. If you only have an hour or two to kill then group work is not an option.

4. lots more that i cant remember


1 and 3 seem to be the same reason. So you're off to a rocket of a start.

In null we formup quickly all the time. Usually if it's a Home Defense fleet it's under 3 minutes. Often by conventional gates.

The only reason bears can't/don't is because bears think the default state of Eve gameplay is "AFK".

Autopiloting takes forever when you're AFK.

Did I mention that your reason 4 is completely empty?

Also: What are you going to do with said ISK from point #2 if all you ever do is solo?

Answer: Buy a ship to earn ISK faster. But why? See above.
Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
#35 - 2012-06-08 00:52:24 UTC
Tippia wrote:
EVE Roy Mustang wrote:
75% of characters if I remember right
You don't.

Ginseng Jita wrote:
There are more people playing than just you - remember that....many, many, many, more.
Unfortunately, there are no hard numbers to that effect.


So masternerdguy makes up the majority of all plaeyrs...him...his lone account?
Disregard That
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2012-06-08 00:53:17 UTC
Ginseng Jita wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
Ginseng Jita wrote:

If all the people in null-sec left, others would move in and take their place. The game is not all about null-sec. Never has been. It is because of this fact that a few. like yourself that whine and moan about the rest of the game, that the rest of the game is constantly being shelved to address a small percentage of players. There are more people playing than just you - remember that....many, many, many, more.


We've seen your hi sec community in action with the recent incursion nerf.

"We're a vital and relevant roleplaying community CCP and the bonds we've forged will endure through time"

--1 nerf later--

"ISK/hr for incursion not good enough I'm gonna solo level 4s again"

Yep. You guys totally have the drive, determination, and skill it takes to build a nullsec empire. You only complain about it because nullsec is too hard for you because it would require you to form real connections with other people and actually fight for something.


OMG - null-sec is for a few people that live eat and breath EVE. That is the truth of the matter. There are far more pople that play this game on a more casual basis. They are not interested in holding territories. They just want to play a sci-fi game. EVE is one of the only really decent sci-fi games out right now. If another triple AAA - good sci-fi game - was on the market - that had the same sandbox qualites - EVE would die.

So nullsec is only for hardcore gamers but if there were another game out with a mechanic like nullsec (read: sandbox) it would be wildly popular and kill Eve.

it looks like your pet monkey might be posting again for you. Roll
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-06-08 00:53:20 UTC
Greyscale Dash wrote:
Apparently the survey results indicate that most people do two very naughty things.

1. play solo
2. are pve only.

In fact, only about 1/4 of all players are interested in the pvp aspects of the game.


This is unacceptable.
We obviously aren't trying hard enough to force them into lo sec.

Time to step up the ganking. They resist, but once they lose some hulks and are forced down they'll enjoy the game.


A lot of them just refuse to try other aspects of the game. A girl (omg, a real one too!) in my corp quit EVE last week because all she wants to do is mine solo. She felt she was being forced to play a certain way & wouldn't submit to that. I could not stop laughing.

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Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#38 - 2012-06-08 00:54:24 UTC
Don't forget there's a lot of industrial corps never get out of the manufacturing station, move materials/products through alts/contracts and buy/sell remotely. What are we gonna do with those?

And there's also the trading alt... sitting at tradehub the whole day. But at least with good skills, you can trade a lot per toon. With industry is like 10 or 11 jobs per toon with max skills... therefore many toons sitting at manufacturing hub that never get out.

You can gank the miner/mission-runner/hauler but there are still professions that you can do without ever undocking.

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2012-06-08 00:54:28 UTC
Ginseng Jita wrote:
Tippia wrote:
EVE Roy Mustang wrote:
75% of characters if I remember right
You don't.

Ginseng Jita wrote:
There are more people playing than just you - remember that....many, many, many, more.
Unfortunately, there are no hard numbers to that effect.


So masternerdguy makes up the majority of all plaeyrs...him...his lone account?


Masterbaterguy is the proud owner of his grand army of sov-null bots, farming our rats.
Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
#40 - 2012-06-08 00:54:57 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Stensson
Disregard That wrote:


So nullsec is only for hardcore gamers but if there were another game out with a mechanic like nullsec (read: sandbox) it would be wildly popular and kill Eve.

it looks like your pet monkey might be posting again for you. Roll


No...if there were another good sci-fi sandbox game out there. Doesn't even have to have as much PvP as this game has - it would bury EVE.

Edit: Pyramid quoting removed - ISD Stensson