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What would happen if goo-containing moons were shuffled monthly?
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SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#121 - 2012-06-08 00:12:54 UTC
Hakaru Ishiwara wrote:
Kijo Rikki wrote:
I don't think this is the answer to the goal you seek. There's a difference between sparking pvp conflicts and forcing alliances to upend their poses and all their equipment and move every few months. The logistics would suck and no doubt the grunts would get sick of moving their crap from station to station. Part of the reward for null is staking out a home and being secure in the knowledge you're going to hold it for the forseeable future.

Oh, the youthful innocence. Pirate

Null-sec sovereignty is never guaranteed for any period of time. The day that you move into your captured outpost is the day that you should have finalized and executed on your plans for being assaulted by an even bigger fish.

Null-sec is more fluid than you may realize and thus is healthier to think of it as a spce for nomadic life. Be ready to pick up your tent stakes at any point in time and you will have a much easier go of things.

See you out there, Space Cowboy. Big smile


I'd call this a measure of true and untrue. For the month to month it's pretty static: But when it breaks it tends to break all at once.

See BoB/Kenzoku in Delve, for that matter us in Delve, IT alliance pets in Fountain etc etc. Goonswarm has been moving clockwise around the map for a while now. Another good fail cascade and we'll be back where we started when we first got Sov!
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#122 - 2012-06-08 00:14:44 UTC
Tobiaz wrote:
[quote=SmilingVagrant]
While I think the idea of fixing the Tech problem by just making these moons hop all over the galaxy is beyond ridiculous, and scanning moons shouldn't be such a drag, the fact that most moons have been scanned and uploaded to Dotlan for everybody to see (stupid idiots giving away valuable information for free) makes moon-scanning a dead profession by now, which is total waste.


Point of order: Those dotlan maps are way inaccurate for moon minerals. Our scanning teams found a lot more tech than dotlan and even stolen maps from previous occupants have turned up. With that in mind a thorough scan should be the first thing one does in any new region.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#123 - 2012-06-08 00:15:39 UTC
Shaampoo wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
You pubbies sure do get mad when people come up with logical reasons why your ideas are pants on head stupid. It's almost like you are more upset at the person than the message.

Oh wait I'm a goon. Duuuuuuh.
Your right we are just ignoring you because your a dumb goonsie and no one loves you.

I personally think forcing nullsec into a more coordinated move would force more value vs space as opposed to the current null sec stranded of Rat here mine here pvp here.


Maybe you should take a look at the sov map over the last year and re-think the whole paradigm you are working off of.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#124 - 2012-06-08 00:18:05 UTC
here's the other hilarious thing about dumb pubbie logic

we're telling you it's horrible and nobody will do it and we clearly have the best capability to do it

when it's soul-destroying to do this who on earth can compete with us? we'd wind up even better off, just with a few members burnt right the **** out

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#125 - 2012-06-08 00:21:12 UTC
I'm never volunteering for GSOL and I can probably pilot a rorqual.

:toot:
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#126 - 2012-06-08 00:23:44 UTC
yeah dotlan's scans are full of lies

ones it got pre-dominion somehow have lots of p/d mismarked, ones it got after dominion somehow keep leaving tech moons off

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Tobiaz
Spacerats
#127 - 2012-06-08 00:23:49 UTC
Hakaru Ishiwara wrote:
Null-sec sovereignty is never guaranteed for any period of time. The day that you move into your captured outpost is the day that you should have finalized and executed on your plans for being assaulted by an even bigger fish.

Null-sec is more fluid than you may realize and thus is healthier to think of it as a spce for nomadic life. Be ready to pick up your tent stakes at any point in time and you will have a much easier go of things.

See you out there, Space Cowboy. Big smile


I don't know. If you look for changes on the maps where the Tech moons are, it are mostly just some minor alliances being pushed around and some skirmishing by the bigger coalitions, but not many major changes over the years.

And until recently the same could be said for the DRF.

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#128 - 2012-06-08 00:25:21 UTC
Tobiaz wrote:

I don't know. If you look for changes on the maps where the Tech moons are, it are mostly just some minor alliances being pushed around and some skirmishing by the bigger coalitions, but not many major changes over the years.

And until recently the same could be said for the DRF.

razor and mm weren't "minor" alliances

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#129 - 2012-06-08 00:26:16 UTC  |  Edited by: SmilingVagrant
Tobiaz wrote:
Hakaru Ishiwara wrote:
Null-sec sovereignty is never guaranteed for any period of time. The day that you move into your captured outpost is the day that you should have finalized and executed on your plans for being assaulted by an even bigger fish.

Null-sec is more fluid than you may realize and thus is healthier to think of it as a spce for nomadic life. Be ready to pick up your tent stakes at any point in time and you will have a much easier go of things.

See you out there, Space Cowboy. Big smile


I don't know. If you look for changes on the maps where the Tech moons are, it are mostly just some minor alliances being pushed around and some skirmishing by the bigger coalitions, but not many major changes over the years.

And until recently the same could be said for the DRF.


Uh....

You kinda missed the part where an entire coalition of alliances got wiped out huh? The only ones that have managed to stay static is Goonswarm.
Tobiaz
Spacerats
#130 - 2012-06-08 00:28:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Tobiaz
SmilingVagrant wrote:


Uh....

You kinda missed the part where an entire coalition of alliances got wiped out huh? The only ones that have managed to stay static is Goonswarm.


Wiped out after having maintained control for how long? It seems hardly proof to me of the existence of a lot of dynamic when it comes to null-moons. And while I'm not privy to the exact politics up in the north, the collapse of Raiden. doesn't seem to automatically imply eviction of all its member corporations.

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Shaampoo
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#131 - 2012-06-08 00:29:34 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
here's the other hilarious thing about dumb pubbie logic

we're telling you it's horrible and nobody will do it and we clearly have the best capability to do it

when it's soul-destroying to do this who on earth can compete with us? we'd wind up even better off, just with a few members burnt right the **** out
No one is making you farm those moons

If it is really that hard dont

Maybe you could make isk from selling smugness to the lowsec.

every one complains about null sec logistics being hard

But the CFC is the only one standing at the door like a upset child going " NO dont touch my income i need it to reimburse struff wahh"
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#132 - 2012-06-08 00:29:58 UTC
Tobiaz wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Tobiaz wrote:
[quote=SmilingVagrant]
While I think the idea of fixing the Tech problem by just making these moons hop all over the galaxy is beyond ridiculous, and scanning moons shouldn't be such a drag, the fact that most moons have been scanned and uploaded to Dotlan for everybody to see (stupid idiots giving away valuable information for free) makes moon-scanning a dead profession by now, which is total waste.


Point of order: Those dotlan maps are way inaccurate for moon minerals. Our scanning teams found a lot more tech than dotlan and even stolen maps from previous occupants have turned up. With that in mind a thorough scan should be the first thing one does in any new region.


Could it be... misinformation?! Twisted

You've just restored a big portion of my appreciation for my fellow EVE-players!


Could be: all I can say for sure is we had to make all new charts. I understand the situation in Fountain wasn't much better for TEST alliance.
Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#133 - 2012-06-08 00:35:36 UTC
Tobiaz wrote:
I don't know. If you look for changes on the maps where the Tech moons are, it are mostly just some minor alliances being pushed around and some skirmishing by the bigger coalitions, but not many major changes over the years.

And until recently the same could be said for the DRF.


Wow

That's just blatantly untrue. Like you can go look at timestamped maps for yourself.

Don't talk about subjects you know nothing about.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#134 - 2012-06-08 00:39:54 UTC
Shaampoo wrote:

But the CFC is the only one standing at the door like a upset child going " NO dont touch my income i need it to reimburse struff wahh"


No we aren't idiot. Nerf tech all you want. Don't make it a ******* chore to mine for whatever exists though.
EVE Roy Mustang
Doomheim
#135 - 2012-06-08 00:40:13 UTC
The Groundskeeper wrote:
There are several ways to rebalance tech that should be looked at but only dirt-eating simpletons who have never had to scan so much as a constellation, let alone a region every few weeks. And that's before the effect on logisticians who have to unanchor and reanchor hundreds of towers and mods every month or so because some knuckle-dragging chucklepov was a bit jealous but too incompetent to take any tech for himself.


incoming Goon trolling
Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#136 - 2012-06-08 00:47:23 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
No we aren't idiot. Nerf tech all you want. Don't make it a ******* chore to mine for whatever exists though.


Goons have officially supported a tech nerf for over a year. This is about not introducing more tedium into Eve, the kind of stuff that CCP is purposefully removing from existing gameplay.

I also really enjoy the ironic calls to "HTFU" with respect to soul-crushing tedium, once again demonstrating an abject failure to grasp the spirit of that saying in Eve.
Shaampoo
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#137 - 2012-06-08 00:50:35 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Shaampoo wrote:

But the CFC is the only one standing at the door like a upset child going " NO dont touch my income i need it to reimburse struff wahh"


No we aren't idiot. Nerf tech all you want. Don't make it a ******* chore to mine for whatever exists though.
you sure every time a change is ever mentioned it is a goon who is the first one to start tears. I am sure if the announced all moon goo drops randomly from kills goons would be first one here going this sucks why do you hate null sec mean while acting is a very hateful manner.

Matter of fact you do that you act like a massive douche on the forums and then wonder why there is so much negative publicity towards you lot.

There is no reason to not to make it harder apart from it would force nullsec groups to work harder for billions of isk apart from the current arrangement of moon wars that happen and move it back to sov.
Enaris Kerle
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#138 - 2012-06-08 00:52:31 UTC
Darth Tickles wrote:
I also really enjoy the ironic calls to "HTFU" with respect to soul-crushing tedium, once again demonstrating an abject failure to grasp the spirit of that saying in Eve.

Are you really surprised about that in a community that praises itself for (for the most part) not even having the balls to post on their mains?
Shaampoo wrote:
Matter of fact you do that you act like a massive douche on the forums and then wonder why there is so much negative publicity towards you lot.

There's no such thing as negative publicity.

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Shaampoo
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#139 - 2012-06-08 00:55:47 UTC

Shaampoo wrote:
Matter of fact you do that you act like a massive douche on the forums and then wonder why there is so much negative publicity towards you lot.

There's no such thing as negative publicity.[/quote]
Yes there is it is publicity that negatively affects your public opinion

I am sure the sex offenders is a prime example of this
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#140 - 2012-06-08 00:56:55 UTC
Shaampoo wrote:
you sure every time a change is ever mentioned it is a goon who is the first one to start tears. I am sure if the announced all moon goo drops randomly from kills goons would be first one here going this sucks why do you hate null sec mean while acting is a very hateful manner.


Matter of fact you do that you act like a massive douche on the forums and then wonder why there is so much negative publicity towards you lot.



You do realize we were pretty strong about two years ago when we were dirt poor right? Does it shock you that one of the largest presences in nullsec will be the loudest people to complain when you talk about messing it up for all of us? The other largest unified group in nullsec is Russian and likely isn't even reading this.

And the enemies we do have literally have hategrudges against us and would do anything to hurt us: Yet they aren't chiming in with support for your idea.

Huh.

I tell you what. I'll stop being a douche on the forums the same day you stop posting like a chimpanzee eating chips off of a keyboard.