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What would happen if goo-containing moons were shuffled monthly?
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Alia Gon'die
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#101 - 2012-06-07 23:35:50 UTC
Syndrea Caedrion wrote:
The Groundskeeper wrote:
There are several ways to rebalance tech that should be looked at but only dirt-eating simpletons who have never had to scan so much as a constellation, let alone a region every few weeks. And that's before the effect on logisticians who have to unanchor and reanchor hundreds of towers and mods every month or so because some knuckle-dragging chucklepov was a bit jealous but too incompetent to take any tech for himself.


Eve is hard, right? Isn't that what you guys are constantly enspousing? Do you need a cookie and a hug?

Shuffling would be cruel, I think, but amusing to my sadistic impulses. However, I think that, in accordance with the whole risk vs reward, Eve has consequences mindset, Tech moons should be exclusive to losec only. You want it, you have to fight for it, on a daily basis if needs be. Losec represents the section of space where the greatest risks are taken everyday, why shouldn't it possess the greatest rewards as well?

You can argue nulsec should possess such an honor, but frankly, once you amass huge chunks of real estate, well...even a toon from a large alliance admitted that their backyard is beyond safe.


Nullsec empires are safe because of the efforts of the people who live there. If only Highsec could be the same way.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#102 - 2012-06-07 23:41:31 UTC
Stu Pendisdick wrote:
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
I can think of about 4 or 5 other threads explaining how it's an idiotic idea, so no need to repeat it here.


Of course you'll hear that from those with a vested interest in the status quo.

I've a feeling that they are in the minority by a large margin.



I have zero vested interest in moons, but I have had to scan moons & do all the pos stuff. It's a ****** job & I think most people who do it would rather subject themselves to electro-testicle torture.

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SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#103 - 2012-06-07 23:46:36 UTC
I'm kind of enjoying how all of these people who have never setup a POS or gone through the pain of a full region scan are wanting people in nullsec to do it just because it hurts "Us goonies".
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#104 - 2012-06-07 23:49:27 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
I'm kind of enjoying how all of these people who have never setup a POS or gone through the pain of a full region scan are wanting people in nullsec to do it just because it hurts "Us goonies".



too bad mittenz is a drunk...

for if he was still in csm then you guys would know about the pos revamp for winter expansion...

silly goons...

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SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#105 - 2012-06-07 23:49:39 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Stu Pendisdick wrote:
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
I can think of about 4 or 5 other threads explaining how it's an idiotic idea, so no need to repeat it here.


Of course you'll hear that from those with a vested interest in the status quo.

I've a feeling that they are in the minority by a large margin.



I have zero vested interest in moons, but I have had to scan moons & do all the pos stuff. It's a ****** job & I think most people who do it would rather subject themselves to electro-testicle torture.


We have an entire team dedicated to each task: And the burnout on both are absolutely ridiculous. Because it's not fun. There's no little game you can play in your head to make it fun. Ratting is more entertaining. Mining is more interactive and engaging. Maintaining POS and JB networks is ******* grueling for the people doing it. And shooting through systems moon scanning is ugh. I lasted a week in our moon recon division and I barely got anything done.
Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#106 - 2012-06-07 23:58:12 UTC
This thread needs more utterly clueless, hisec mouthbreathers weighing in on nullsec mechanics and gameplay.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#107 - 2012-06-07 23:59:36 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
I'm kind of enjoying how all of these people who have never setup a POS or gone through the pain of a full region scan are wanting people in nullsec to do it just because it hurts "Us goonies".



too bad mittenz is a drunk...

for if he was still in csm then you guys would know about the pos revamp for winter expansion...

silly goons...


Yeah look, you've never seen a proper large POS have you? Even with those changes it's still going to be painful. And you people seem eerily fixated on Mittens. I don't know how to break it to you but my hero worship of him falls far short of your villain worship of him.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#108 - 2012-06-07 23:59:38 UTC
Iniquita wrote:
Everyone who supports this has never done alliance logistics.

**** everything about having to tear down/setup towers on a monthly basis not to mention the never ending moon scanning in your territory. Asking people to tear down towers because where once platinum existed is now technetium. Or tear down their reaction farm, research pos, or jump bridge pos because suddenly a moon resource needs to be mined there.



Better yet, Cap Assembly array POS with baby Titan.

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#109 - 2012-06-07 23:59:47 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
I'm kind of enjoying how all of these people who have never setup a POS or gone through the pain of a full region scan are wanting people in nullsec to do it just because it hurts "Us goonies".



too bad mittenz is a drunk...

for if he was still in csm then you guys would know about the pos revamp for winter expansion...

silly goons...


ahh yes because CCP's statements about what will be in a patch 6 months out are highly reliable as is their ability to revamp things to be better, not worse

silly us

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Shaampoo
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#110 - 2012-06-07 23:59:59 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Stu Pendisdick wrote:
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
I can think of about 4 or 5 other threads explaining how it's an idiotic idea, so no need to repeat it here.


Of course you'll hear that from those with a vested interest in the status quo.

I've a feeling that they are in the minority by a large margin.



I have zero vested interest in moons, but I have had to scan moons & do all the pos stuff. It's a ****** job & I think most people who do it would rather subject themselves to electro-testicle torture.


We have an entire team dedicated to each task: And the burnout on both are absolutely ridiculous. Because it's not fun. There's no little game you can play in your head to make it fun. Ratting is more entertaining. Mining is more interactive and engaging. Maintaining POS and JB networks is ******* grueling for the people doing it. And shooting through systems moon scanning is ugh. I lasted a week in our moon recon division and I barely got anything done.
Sounds like quite the issue

QQQQ our 8000 man corp on a major power bloc has to scan all these moons :((((

And jump briges out of 8000 people finding some one to get the fuel and move it the Jb is just unreasonable

holy **** is the largest eve corp really complaining about the dullness of nullsec

If it really sucks that bad stop doing half your moons

SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#111 - 2012-06-08 00:01:23 UTC
Look at you getting all frothy.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#112 - 2012-06-08 00:02:07 UTC
Darth Tickles wrote:
This thread needs more utterly clueless, hisec mouthbreathers weighing in on nullsec mechanics and gameplay.


You seem angry

brb
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#113 - 2012-06-08 00:02:37 UTC
You pubbies sure do get mad when people come up with logical reasons why your ideas are pants on head stupid. It's almost like you are more upset at the person than the message.

Oh wait I'm a goon. Duuuuuuh.
Alia Gon'die
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#114 - 2012-06-08 00:07:54 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
You pubbies sure do get mad when people come up with logical reasons why your ideas are pants on head stupid. It's almost like you are more upset at the person than the message.

Oh wait I'm a goon. Duuuuuuh.


dumb goonie, learn your place!

(It's nowhere)

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Svarek
#115 - 2012-06-08 00:08:04 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
You pubbies sure do get mad when people come up with logical reasons why your ideas are pants on head stupid. It's almost like you are more upset at the person than the message.

Oh wait I'm a goon. Duuuuuuh.


No, you're somebody the goon must be bribing to communicate for him, because everyone knows they can't speak outside of guttural grunts, let alone write a coherent sentence.

Whoops.
Hakaru Ishiwara
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#116 - 2012-06-08 00:09:09 UTC
Kijo Rikki wrote:
I don't think this is the answer to the goal you seek. There's a difference between sparking pvp conflicts and forcing alliances to upend their poses and all their equipment and move every few months. The logistics would suck and no doubt the grunts would get sick of moving their crap from station to station. Part of the reward for null is staking out a home and being secure in the knowledge you're going to hold it for the forseeable future.

Oh, the youthful innocence. Pirate

Null-sec sovereignty is never guaranteed for any period of time. The day that you move into your captured outpost is the day that you should have finalized and executed on your plans for being assaulted by an even bigger fish.

Null-sec is more fluid than you may realize and thus is healthier to think of it as a spce for nomadic life. Be ready to pick up your tent stakes at any point in time and you will have a much easier go of things.

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SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#117 - 2012-06-08 00:10:48 UTC
Alia Gon'die wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
You pubbies sure do get mad when people come up with logical reasons why your ideas are pants on head stupid. It's almost like you are more upset at the person than the message.

Oh wait I'm a goon. Duuuuuuh.


dumb goonie, learn your place!

(It's nowhere)


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Tobiaz
Spacerats
#118 - 2012-06-08 00:11:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Tobiaz
SmilingVagrant wrote:
We have an entire team dedicated to each task: And the burnout on both are absolutely ridiculous. Because it's not fun. There's no little game you can play in your head to make it fun. Ratting is more entertaining. Mining is more interactive and engaging. Maintaining POS and JB networks is ******* grueling for the people doing it. And shooting through systems moon scanning is ugh. I lasted a week in our moon recon division and I barely got anything done.


While I think the idea of fixing the Tech problem by just making these moons hop all over the galaxy is beyond ridiculous, and scanning moons shouldn't be such a drag, the fact that most moons have been scanned and uploaded to Dotlan for everybody to see (stupid idiots giving away valuable information for free) makes moon-scanning a dead profession by now, which is total waste.

It'd be pretty cool to have moons randomly accumulate exhaustible 'meteorite' deposits over time on top of their base supply of moongoo. That and adding moongoo to W-space but with only a 5% base yield of K-space. Good luck mapping those :P

Ofcourse that would require first updating the dreadfull moon-scanning snooze-fest.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#119 - 2012-06-08 00:12:36 UTC
Stu Pendisdick wrote:

Get rid of the Sov requirements altogether.


What Sov requirements?

There is some evidence to show that holding Tech and Holding Sov are not all that closely linked.

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Shaampoo
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#120 - 2012-06-08 00:12:48 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
You pubbies sure do get mad when people come up with logical reasons why your ideas are pants on head stupid. It's almost like you are more upset at the person than the message.

Oh wait I'm a goon. Duuuuuuh.
Your right we are just ignoring you because your a dumb goonsie and no one loves you.

I personally think forcing nullsec into a more coordinated move would force more value vs space as opposed to the current null sec stranded of Rat here mine here pvp here.