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But keep telling yourself and posting your authoritative opinion. It will surely be more persuasive over factual/statistical evidence. Nothing to see here move along> These are not the Drakes you are looking for . . .

Regardless, as both proponents and opponents know, heat death may come before CCP gets around to doing any serious ship rebalancing. Here's to 5 more frigs with the next expansion

Perfect, my ass.

Overpriced than tier1 BS and other battlecruisers, but need horrible materials (another isk sink from CCP) and have glass HP.
+90m ISK ? Really ?
Their speed too high, almost same like just a cruiser.

QFT

Balance, would be as near as possible for 1:1 in usage for any class of ship, weighted for population.

More people roll caldari, so seeing more drakes makes sense, but not in a 3:1 ratio.

i did lol but that probably makes perfect sense to CCP

i think myrm should have same bandwidth as nexor at least
drakes are common becuase its what most people get told to get into, not becuase they are op
maybe i should insert some random bullcrap about not seeing the hole picture, throw in some random statistics and call everyone else an idiot (in a way that doesnt directly insult anyone) would that be preferable?

Im not exactly sure what you guys are ranting about, but no wonder HML is the most used module when the Drake and Tengu seems to be THE ships for making isk doing PvE as well as being a cheap, solid and effecient fleet ship.

Who wouldn't like to fly a ship that is hard to kill and easy to fly yet still able to provide results?

And no, the Drake isn't overpowered just because it's widely used, however I am looking forward to a change as well.
The Drake is simply balanced with too much tank and too little dps. Abilities catering to especially newer players and people wanting cheap options for massive fleet battles where the numbers.

Pinky

you mean the only evidence you use?

pleeaasseee

The Drake Isnt the Problem - Heavy Missiles are.
Cant really say the same about the Tengu though. It could use some looking at.

Olol ! Not considering Tengu or Drake, caldari have very good ships. For frigate, the Merlin is often regarded as nearly OP. Scorpion is invaluable in fleet, and Rokh are solid fleet choice too. Basilisk is as better than the Scimitar than the guardian is better than the Oneiros ; in Rokh fleet, I'm sure they are way more effective than Scimitars. Harpy is a beast, and I rarely heard T2 caldari frigate could be regarded as weak. Cruisers are another story as the whole class have problems, though the caracal is a very good antifrigate platform. Well, no need to speak about rook or falcon I guess, they are a reason for some to dedicate alt for, and ECM are the reason for the blackbird to be one of the most effective t1 cruiser. I also forgot the Ferox which have seen some king of rebirth since the hybrid rebalance.

So what do we have which don't work with caldari ship ? Raven because of BS missiles launchers ; some (and even not all) cruisers because of cruisers ; some frigates because tier ; and the destroyer which is not the best, though I don't think it is that useless. And on top of that, mighty Drake and Tengu because of them and HML...

You said caldari had no options ? Learn to fly caldari ships please. Tips : they can use hybrid guns and ECM too.

Damn, some people even manage to use battle badgers ; and again, this "nerf" is not one : you don't add more dps to something when nerfing it.

Ok, two ways to address your assertion that Caldari only has the Drake and Tengu. First, to address the estimations of your list:

1. ECM is incredibly powerful. Would you like to fly another ewar line? One can train scan resolution and longe range targeting which is a partial counter to damps. Where is the skill to dampen the effect of ecm? Besides the other ewar ships also have "niche roles." It is the nature of the class of ships.

2. Granted, BS fleets these days are most often centered around Maels, Abaddons, Geddons, in that order. However, some ~elite pvp-ers have adopted a version of a Rokh fleet. And Rokhs can be mixed into a Mael fleet to put some dps backup on an incomplete alpha strike. Last, I would not rate Tempests above Rokhs for usage.

3. Scimitars are most often used because of mobility as shield logis. Often a nano'd shield fleet will want that compliment, which a Basilisk struggles to provide. Frankly, also most people if given the choice would rather not depend on remote cap, considering ecm.

4. yes see 2

5. Imo the af 's are pretty balanced. They can all do some things better than others.

6. Cruisers are slated for possibly radical rebalance. So I would not worry about the present state of affairs. Regardless, the present situation has each race with about one decent cruiser and some with one other ok. Caldari have BB as hands down the best ship in this class. It can alter a battlefield like no other. Then Caracal for it's role as frig killer. Gallente have the Vexor and the Thorax as brawlers/dps. The Celestis is weak, and the exequror suffers from ubiquitous tech I logi cruiser weakness. Minmatar have Rupture as brawler/dps. Rest are rather weak. Amarr has the Arbitrator as decent ewar/dps, and the rest weak. But all of these ships will change as part of the tiericide rebalancing which will nerf the op drake tank.

7. You are comparing a current tier 1 BC with a current tier 2 BC, of course it is weak.

8. Hybrids just got buffed. They are not bad, they were, but not now. Of course they are no current Heavy Missiles. Do you have any experience with other weapons systems?

9. Agreed, battle industrials are a joke. However, because industrials typically use their lows for cargo capacity the Badger is able to sport the best tank of all industrials, for what it's worth.

Second, to address your other assertion, all other Caldari ships useless, in your opinion. So you want to stick with two overpowered ships and one weapon system in comparison to other ships and systems in their class? Do you really want the game to stay that way? Wouldn't you rather have those two knocked down a bit and other ships and module systems balanced up?

Also, your echoing of that popular but erroneous complaint that ecm ships are "paper thin" indicates to me that you probably don't have experience with other races of ships, or at least other races of ewar ships. All races of recons have paper thin tanks. Show me how the base hp and resist stats for other recons differ in any appreciable way. The difference is that other races are forced to use their recons secondary tackling ewar role because their primary racial ewar is such ****. In so doing they cannot overload their mids like ecm boats do with their op ewar ability. They have to fit a tank and speed to survive long enough in that role.

If ecm boats fit some shield mods and did not load almost every available slot with ewar modules they would find that their tanks could be just as robust. Many variables to this. Multispecs were nerfed heavily but racials became very powerful. So naturally ecm pilots feel the need to carry at least one of each which leaves little room for tanking modules. I would argue that the mindset of ecm pilots needs to change. In fleets they should specialize in one or two races of jammers so they can fit a decent tank. Most minmatar recons do not fit more than two webs and a point. Most Gallente recons do not fit more than 3 warp jamming modules. If Caldari recons restricted themselve to 3 or at most 4 jammers they would not be so "paper thin."

It is a curious phenomenon with Caldari ships that if absolutley dedicated to a certain mechanic they become op. Some get so enamoured with the power of the specialized fit that they sacrifice for it. Thus the ridiculous tanking abilities of the Drake (but still wonderful dps over range) or the incredible power of the ecm boats. One can fit a Minmatar ship to absolute gank or alpha, but there's limitations of those mindsets such as lack of range (falloff depletion of dps) or lack of dps (get past arty alpha the dps is anemic). But that's just it. You can't have the current jamming ability and the current same tank of other recons. Caldari ships can be fit more genralized.

I'd very much prefer the latter.

The Drake has a well-defined ROLE. It's a bloody brick, and that's why it's so popular. It's hardly invincible though with it's super-sized signature and meh damage.

But nerf its tank, give it a damage upgrade it doesn't need and you'll just throw it back into the bearpit of generic BC that don't have a clear role. It will go against everything Tiercide is supposed to achieve.



There already are way more other BC with good firepower and a good tank. There are, on the other hand very few BC with OK firepower and a very good buffer tank.

And only morons and impatient KM-whores think the Drake's tank is OP. Tr3 BC tear it to shreds, as will any proper BS.