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To be loyalist or industrialist? Or what?

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this is alt
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-06-07 10:47:25 UTC
I am in crossroads. Sold my chars, started new one. Just cybernetics I for +3 implants so far. BUt what to do?

I have been in 0.0 warfare, I was in whspace. All those require way too much time and right now my real life keeps me busy. But I want to keep playing eve even with single character and see how this game changes. I have been a miner, that´s how I started. Then I went to 0.0 and got bored. NO MISSIONING, NO RATTING, NO EXPLORATION....NO GRINDING EVER!

Also I am not interested to get into really deep, just to play few hours each week, just to relax. Industrial stuff and trading do interest me, but also I might want to fly some pvp sometimes. Maybe put these things together? Loyalist and trader/industrialist/hauler? Pirate and industrialist? Hard to get stuff for manufacturing when you´re -10? Do pirate corps even recruit new pilots or do they want veteran 50+ m sp pilots? I was in FW for short amount of time, and damn they are PARANOID! Nobody takes new guys into fleets.

Salvager? Prober? Or combine salvager, industrialist, trader, hauler, pi and just drift around in highsec?

BTW THIS ALLIANCE IS FOR SALE 700 M ISK!
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#2 - 2012-06-07 12:17:56 UTC
(Some) Pirate corps do recruit newer players, but I think you'll find that if you want to do heavy industry you'll want an alt to do it, if you're going to do piracy or anything that restricts your movements (at the very least, you'll want a bestower alt).

FW is paranoid of NPC Corp FW because they're basically all spies.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

this is alt
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-06-07 14:46:18 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
(Some) Pirate corps do recruit newer players, but I think you'll find that if you want to do heavy industry you'll want an alt to do it, if you're going to do piracy or anything that restricts your movements (at the very least, you'll want a bestower alt).

FW is paranoid of NPC Corp FW because they're basically all spies.

Yeah, well, I once had 4 accounts. Now I just would like to keep it 1 character and 1 account. Enjoy the cash I have earned and relax. Maybe find a nice corporation where.

I had this idea to train ECM skills and BB/falcon/scorpion or Basilisk, yeah I´m caldari, and then start industrial career. So I could take part on 'home defence' and still focus on playing with industrial stuff. But don´t want to start spending like year on PVP skills.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#4 - 2012-06-07 14:56:22 UTC
this is alt wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
(Some) Pirate corps do recruit newer players, but I think you'll find that if you want to do heavy industry you'll want an alt to do it, if you're going to do piracy or anything that restricts your movements (at the very least, you'll want a bestower alt).

FW is paranoid of NPC Corp FW because they're basically all spies.

Yeah, well, I once had 4 accounts. Now I just would like to keep it 1 character and 1 account. Enjoy the cash I have earned and relax. Maybe find a nice corporation where.

I had this idea to train ECM skills and BB/falcon/scorpion or Basilisk, yeah I´m caldari, and then start industrial career. So I could take part on 'home defence' and still focus on playing with industrial stuff. But don´t want to start spending like year on PVP skills.


Black Rebel Rifter Club. They fly Frigates.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#5 - 2012-06-07 15:13:29 UTC
Red vs blue!

You can pew pew in a frigate to have fun. Usually you will find fleets up, and if you want to do indy work, help stock the home station for either corp. Heck, 2 hours on a decent night could get you 30 kills, plus no one cares if you go inactive for a month.
Eiladies Teritrium
Survival Research Laboratories
#6 - 2012-06-09 12:15:16 UTC
I would suggest 'Industrialist with teeth'.

What I mean by this, is be an industrialist, especially one that makes stuff for a combat corp such as Faction war. Make what the corp needs, sell some of the other stuff you make. but this...

Train yourself to fly a combat frigate as well as a battle industrial ship, such as a 'battle badger'.

So if you are war decced, you have the option of

1) Docking in the station, making stuff, shipping and deliveries through courier, and doing station trading for a week, or
2) Undocking during a war-dec, and engaging the enemy in a battle in a frigate and/or a bait ship like the 'battle badger'.

Think of option 2 as self-defense, like Jiu-Jitsu.

An industrialist isn't going to put the smack-down on combat pilots, but should be able to defend his mining operations with a security frigate force. They don't have to kill the enemy, just engage long enough to let the miners escape.

Then, if you are allied with a loyalist FW corp as their ships and mods manufacturer you could hopefully enlist their help in your corp war.

It seems as though permanent Hulkageddon has been declared, so miners and haulers will have to retain high security even in high-sec.

Oh yes, and of course building ships for either/ both sides of Red vs. Blue would be fun and profitable too! It only takes about three days to train to be a tackle frigate.
AFK Hauler
State War Academy
#7 - 2012-06-09 13:14:07 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
Red vs blue!

You can pew pew in a frigate to have fun. Usually you will find fleets up, and if you want to do indy work, help stock the home station for either corp. Heck, 2 hours on a decent night could get you 30 kills, plus no one cares if you go inactive for a month.



and you can still be an industrialists.
Abditus Cularius
Clancularius Industries
#8 - 2012-06-09 15:25:51 UTC
Eiladies Teritrium wrote:

It seems as though permanent Hulkageddon has been declared, so miners and haulers will have to retain high security even in high-sec.


They would have to, if anyone was still even mildly interested/participating in it.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#9 - 2012-06-09 18:41:36 UTC
Abditus Cularius wrote:
Eiladies Teritrium wrote:

It seems as though permanent Hulkageddon has been declared, so miners and haulers will have to retain high security even in high-sec.


They would have to, if anyone was still even mildly interested/participating in it.


He said industrialist, not day-laborer.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#10 - 2012-06-09 18:58:49 UTC
To thrive in lowsec, you need a corp 99% of the time. To thrive in nullsec, you need a corp/alliance 100% of the time. There is very little you do out there that doesn't depend on others helping out.

My corp lives in lowsec. For our members, we haul stuff around, import minerals and manufacture ships, import fittings, organize fleets, manage relations with allies for better cooperation, and other stuff. As a solo player, it is nigh-impossible to do all that. In nullsec the situation is even more severe, as hisec space and its market hubs can be tens of jumps away, and the power that your enemies have to ruin your day is even bigger.

If that is what pleases you, there is plenty of industry, exploration, ratting , ISK grinding, etc. going on in low/null sec, but you almost definitely need a corp supporting you. If you go full lowsec pirate but still want to do industry, you will need a second character to haul stuff from hisec for you, and you may need to train T2 haulers.

As a last thought, don't give too much thought to the profession templates that CCP advertises. "Loyalist" and "Freedom Fighter" are functionally identical, many of the other options simply aren't sensical, and some things that exist in game simply aren't advertised. Try this, instead: http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/

Oh, and if you want help with newbie questions, pro tip: ask in New Players Q&A, not in General Discussion. In GD you will get trolls.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)

Spy 21
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-06-09 19:40:56 UTC
For Solo/Noncommittal play I like the exploration and scavenging angle. It can be done in any security level space. If you are scanning in a low/null/WH system... you can do so in a covops frig so as to keep your pvp engagements at a level of your own choosing.

I used to scan a lot in 0.5 systems but recently have found those systems too crowded so I am gradually moving my center of gravity into low sec to get away from the pack a little.. Heck even if I don't want to run a combat site, there are always abandoned drones floating around to find.

I also like the suggestions I've seen in this thread regarding good low-sec corps or RvB....

Mining can be done in the nearest .5 system or your local low sec if your corp has a strong presence there.

Good luck...

S

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