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A stabilizing movement across New Eden - When the need comes

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Random Majere
Astrocomical
Warped Intentions
#1 - 2012-06-06 18:46:36 UTC
I was wondering if the political situation across the 0.0 sov map would not be different if there would be some sort of "support" or "core" alliance that single pilots, corps or even entire alliances could join (or get blued with) in order to gather an imposing strike force that would be able to "re-balance" the political 0.0 sov map "when the need is felt across New Eden".

If such an organization would exist, and if it would have the personnel (experienced and qualified) and the tools (TS server, website, etc...) to be able to efficiently organize and coordinate operations of any type and size, would it be able to fill its ranks when "the call" is made? Of course, any corp or alliance joining this "movement" would need to blue ALL organizations already in it (which would mean some groups might find themselves working with previous enemies - or perhaps CCP could provide a way to temporary blue an ennemy organization in a particular area of the map). Corps and alliances from all corners of New Eden could join this "movement" on a temporary basis until the job is done or until they feel they no longer wish to stay. Corporations could also be "invited" to permanently become part of the "core" in order to keep it alive for future "interventions".

By the way, said movement would not hold territory on a permanent basis and would not be "hirable".

This may have been suggested and probably even tempted before....any thoughts?
Kalen Vox
Veyr
The Veyr Collective
#2 - 2012-06-06 18:53:06 UTC
It's an interesting idea. Sounds kinda like a player-based analogy of how CONCORD keeps the NPC factions in check.

However, realistically it would not be that feasible because of the difficulties of:

a. getting loosely-associated people and/or people who dislike each other to work together
b. increased vulnerability to infiltration from any of the factions that the group might choose to move against
c. decision making: who would decide when they act and don't act, etc

But then I guess I didn't consider it in much detail so I'm probably wildly wrong on most of those counts.
Disregard That
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-06-06 19:00:20 UTC
Kalen Vox wrote:
It's an interesting idea. Sounds kinda like a player-based analogy of how CONCORD keeps the NPC factions in check.

However, realistically it would not be that feasible because of the difficulties of:

a. getting loosely-associated people and/or people who dislike each other to work together
b. increased vulnerability to infiltration from any of the factions that the group might choose to move against
c. decision making: who would decide when they act and don't act, etc

But then I guess I didn't consider it in much detail so I'm probably wildly wrong on most of those counts.

Regarding decision making, I vote "me."

All that other stuff is spot on, too.
Random Majere
Astrocomical
Warped Intentions
#4 - 2012-06-06 19:03:10 UTC
Kalen Vox wrote:
It's an interesting idea. Sounds kinda like a player-based analogy of how CONCORD keeps the NPC factions in check.

However, realistically it would not be that feasible because of the difficulties of:

a. getting loosely-associated people and/or people who dislike each other to work together
b. increased vulnerability to infiltration from any of the factions that the group might choose to move against
c. decision making: who would decide when they act and don't act, etc

But then I guess I didn't consider it in much detail so I'm probably wildly wrong on most of those counts.


No you are not wrong at all. Your points are extremely valid and would be some of the major challenges the people leading this"movement" would have to face. However, I do not believe this to be an "impossible" mission IF it is leaded by people that know the game very well and have very high personal leadership skills to keep people together even for a temporary time.
Disregard That
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-06-06 19:07:17 UTC
Random Majere wrote:
Kalen Vox wrote:
It's an interesting idea. Sounds kinda like a player-based analogy of how CONCORD keeps the NPC factions in check.

However, realistically it would not be that feasible because of the difficulties of:

a. getting loosely-associated people and/or people who dislike each other to work together
b. increased vulnerability to infiltration from any of the factions that the group might choose to move against
c. decision making: who would decide when they act and don't act, etc

But then I guess I didn't consider it in much detail so I'm probably wildly wrong on most of those counts.


No you are not wrong at all. Your points are extremely valid and would be some of the major challenges the people leading this"movement" would have to face. However, I do not believe this to be an "impossible" mission IF it is leaded by people that know the game very well and have very high personal leadership skills to keep people together even for a temporary time.

I will do it. Just send me a 1b isk deposit for SRF for our pilots. Anything less would be a joke as the enemy have SRF.

I humbly await your decision. Together our leadership can rebalance Eve!
Random Majere
Astrocomical
Warped Intentions
#6 - 2012-06-06 19:38:52 UTC
Disregard That wrote:
I will do it. Just send me a 1b isk deposit for SRF for our pilots. Anything less would be a joke as the enemy have SRF.

I humbly await your decision. Together our leadership can rebalance Eve!


To give this credibility, I`ll send you 100 billion ISK instead. How is that?
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#7 - 2012-06-06 20:06:56 UTC
I'd put all my corps in such an organization, and then one by one go awoxxer on each of them.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]

Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
#8 - 2012-06-06 20:15:28 UTC
Who would this collection of unaffiliated pilots attack in order to stabilize new eden?

Where would these pilots come from?

Are you offering to lead these pilots are are you asking someone else to do it for you?

This is another one of those 'let us all join together and attack goons' theads isnt it?
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#9 - 2012-06-06 20:17:11 UTC
Alexandra Delarge wrote:
Who would this collection of unaffiliated pilots attack in order to stabilize new eden?

Where would these pilots come from?

Are you offering to lead these pilots are are you asking someone else to do it for you?

This is another one of those 'let us all join together and attack goons' theads isnt it?

Its worse: this is a "lets all join together in one big NPC corp" and attack goons thread.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]

Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-06-06 20:30:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
A spy-infested non-committal amalgamation of random corporations and alliances sounds just like the right place for my titan or supercarrier...

Also have you ever tried telling a high-sec dweller that bringing his Thorax to a drake fleet is seriously not cool? no, not even if he fits rails^^

heck, just have a look at the Warfare & Tactics forum and you'll see that even the FW community refuses to give in to obviously unreasonable demands by fascist fleet commanders who try to enforce any sort fleet composition and discipline...

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AFK Hauler
State War Academy
#11 - 2012-06-06 21:03:07 UTC
I thought the last expansion was called Inferno, not looking for more ways to stabilize nulsec and avoid war, no?
ModeratedToSilence
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-06-06 21:12:28 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:

heck, just have a look at the Warfare & Tactics forum and you'll see that even the FW community refuses to give in to obviously unreasonable demands by fascist fleet commanders who try to enforce any sort fleet composition and discipline...


Watching an FW fleet melt to a bored 0.0 corp is funny
Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
True Reign
#13 - 2012-06-06 21:21:06 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
A spy-infested non-committal amalgamation of random corporations and alliances sounds just like the right place for my titan or supercarrier...

Also have you ever tried telling a high-sec dweller that bringing his Thorax to a drake fleet is seriously not cool? no, not even if he fits rails^^

heck, just have a look at the Warfare & Tactics forum and you'll see that even the FW community refuses to give in to obviously unreasonable demands by fascist fleet commanders who try to enforce any sort fleet composition and discipline...


This is a good example of why people don't want anything to do with big corps, big fleets, or PVP. Fly a Drake or else. Show up for the roam and the FC wants you to refit in a station in null sec where you don't have any mods and can't refit. You are armor taking when you should be shield tanking. And on and on and on. Sure, the FCs need to control the fleet composition in order to win a fight. And therein lies the rub. Fleet combat in Eve is all about getting just the right party outfit that pleases your Sorority Leader.

That's why lots of people don't want to have anything to do with large alliances of any kind, including the Posse Comitatus alliance outline here.

The biggest flaw in OP's idea is that high sec players really don't care anything about null sec or what goes on out there.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#14 - 2012-06-06 22:09:25 UTC
Ban Bindy wrote:
This is a good example of why people don't want anything to do with big corps, big fleets, or PVP. Fly a Drake or else. Show up for the roam and the FC wants you to refit in a station in null sec where you don't have any mods and can't refit. You are armor taking when you should be shield tanking. And on and on and on. Sure, the FCs need to control the fleet composition in order to win a fight. And therein lies the rub. Fleet combat in Eve is all about getting just the right party outfit that pleases your Sorority Leader.

CTAs are unfortunately a necessary evil if you wish to succeed as a null sec alliance, but people do not join alliances for the CTAs.

The fun comes when you have smaller alliance roams, like "just fly nano-whatever" runs through NPC null, or "screw it let's go bomb stuff" roams. The effort put into those CTAs also (somewhat*) pays off in the form of you then controlling large amounts of space in which to do exploration and run sites.

*Ok, it doesn't pay off as well as it used to since you can earn very nearly the same amount in high sec nowadays. But still, it's nice to have "your own" space.

Also, if you don't have any of your own alliances doctrine fits then you suck. They'll be up for sale on alliance contracts and everyone knows what ships and fits are used in their alliance. At the very least you can always scout or fly tackle.

Ban Bindy wrote:
That's why lots of people don't want to have anything to do with large alliances of any kind, including the Posse Comitatus alliance outline here.

Meh, the reason I don't want to have anything to do with large alliances is because you're just contributing to the wealth of the alliance leaders.

There are only a few good alliances that genuinely use their wealth to help their members, and they are relatively difficult to get into due to paranoia over spies.

Ban Bindy wrote:
The biggest flaw in OP's idea is that high sec players really don't care anything about null sec or what goes on out there.

I didn't see anything in the OP about it specifically being high sec players who join this crappy NPC corp thing.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]

Random Majere
Astrocomical
Warped Intentions
#15 - 2012-06-06 22:11:48 UTC
Alexandra Delarge wrote:
Who would this collection of unaffiliated pilots attack in order to stabilize new eden?

Where would these pilots come from?

Are you offering to lead these pilots are are you asking someone else to do it for you?

This is another one of those 'let us all join together and attack goons' theads isnt it?


1. Any large organization that would provide good fights
2. I dont know
3. No
4. No...this is just an idea thrown like that to create a discussion. The goal would be more like: "lets get together and have some fun thing". For Pew-pew! You do like pew-pew right? Tell me you play the game to have fun.
Random Majere
Astrocomical
Warped Intentions
#16 - 2012-06-06 22:33:40 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
A spy-infested non-committal amalgamation of random corporations and alliances sounds just like the right place for my titan or supercarrier...


People loose supers without any help from spies by the way...but yes I guess some poeple joining on a temporary basis would refrain from bringing their precious. Its a risk your right...but then again, risk is what Eve is all about. If you do not want to risk anything, what is the point of playing?

Vera Algaert wrote:
Also have you ever tried telling a high-sec dweller that bringing his Thorax to a drake fleet is seriously not cool? no, not even if he fits rails^^


Good point but...I do not think that the majority of players are limited to Thorax. And a Thorax could still have its use somewhere. Ask Test how they value their new members that fly a Rifter.

Vera Algaert wrote:
heck, just have a look at the Warfare & Tactics forum and you'll see that even the FW community refuses to give in to obviously unreasonable demands by fascist fleet commanders who try to enforce any sort fleet composition and discipline...


Yeah...like I said above...every organization's success depends on how it is leaded. With good FCs, I am sure most people who would join this would find their lvl of fun, whatever the outcome.
Random Majere
Astrocomical
Warped Intentions
#17 - 2012-06-06 23:16:46 UTC
Ban Bindy wrote:
Vera Algaert wrote:
A spy-infested non-committal amalgamation of random corporations and alliances sounds just like the right place for my titan or supercarrier...

Also have you ever tried telling a high-sec dweller that bringing his Thorax to a drake fleet is seriously not cool? no, not even if he fits rails^^

heck, just have a look at the Warfare & Tactics forum and you'll see that even the FW community refuses to give in to obviously unreasonable demands by fascist fleet commanders who try to enforce any sort fleet composition and discipline...


This is a good example of why people don't want anything to do with big corps, big fleets, or PVP. Fly a Drake or else. Show up for the roam and the FC wants you to refit in a station in null sec where you don't have any mods and can't refit. You are armor taking when you should be shield tanking. And on and on and on. Sure, the FCs need to control the fleet composition in order to win a fight. And therein lies the rub. Fleet combat in Eve is all about getting just the right party outfit that pleases your Sorority Leader.

That's why lots of people don't want to have anything to do with large alliances of any kind, including the Posse Comitatus alliance outline here.

The biggest flaw in OP's idea is that high sec players really don't care anything about null sec or what goes on out there.


You might be right here. However, I would not say it is a flaw and in that matter, the idea is wrong and it would never work. I would rather say that it is the biggest challenge yes. Having people join in, would be THE greatest challenge. It all depends however on how things are handled and how people view the movement's credibility. There is a lot of people who will never join any group you are right. But Eve still has enough people that would get into such a thing. As long as its well organized and it shows the potential of bringing fun, I am sure a significant number of people would come.

The argument about armor vs shield fleet in my opinion is a good point but ...is it something that is impossible to plan and manage?
Disregard That
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2012-06-07 10:52:30 UTC
Random Majere wrote:
Ban Bindy wrote:
Vera Algaert wrote:
A spy-infested non-committal amalgamation of random corporations and alliances sounds just like the right place for my titan or supercarrier...

Also have you ever tried telling a high-sec dweller that bringing his Thorax to a drake fleet is seriously not cool? no, not even if he fits rails^^

heck, just have a look at the Warfare & Tactics forum and you'll see that even the FW community refuses to give in to obviously unreasonable demands by fascist fleet commanders who try to enforce any sort fleet composition and discipline...


This is a good example of why people don't want anything to do with big corps, big fleets, or PVP. Fly a Drake or else. Show up for the roam and the FC wants you to refit in a station in null sec where you don't have any mods and can't refit. You are armor taking when you should be shield tanking. And on and on and on. Sure, the FCs need to control the fleet composition in order to win a fight. And therein lies the rub. Fleet combat in Eve is all about getting just the right party outfit that pleases your Sorority Leader.

That's why lots of people don't want to have anything to do with large alliances of any kind, including the Posse Comitatus alliance outline here.

The biggest flaw in OP's idea is that high sec players really don't care anything about null sec or what goes on out there.


You might be right here. However, I would not say it is a flaw and in that matter, the idea is wrong and it would never work. I would rather say that it is the biggest challenge yes. Having people join in, would be THE greatest challenge. It all depends however on how things are handled and how people view the movement's credibility. There is a lot of people who will never join any group you are right. But Eve still has enough people that would get into such a thing. As long as its well organized and it shows the potential of bringing fun, I am sure a significant number of people would come.

The argument about armor vs shield fleet in my opinion is a good point but ...is it something that is impossible to plan and manage?

I will be running two fleets, one for each (armor and shield). But running two fleets will double the required SRF deposit.

So if you want to see an end to Goonswarm, send me 2B ISK for two fleets' worth of SRF and I'll set up the rest of the details.