EVE New Citizens Q&A

Ignore the "elitists." I've been playing this game for several months now and been having a blast doing primarily PvE content (exploration, mining, industry, mission-running) and meeting a few new people that I see around. Even started my own corp to check out the mechanics of it and avoid the NPC tax and found myself being war-dec'd by another small corp who tried to extort me (no such luck). I've been killed a few times by ninja looters who I attacked and who then used remote logistics ships to heal themselves without me being able to attack the logi ships.. I've also lost a couple ships in my mission running before I really knew what I was doing.

The point being.. I've had a lot of fun playing. I've dabbled in a bit of PVP (all went poorly due to the remote logi issue, but still fun). And done a lot of exploring - beyond the regular exploration sites, I've just jumped in the noob ship and gone exploring through low and null sec, which was kind of fun to see what you run into.

If you're having fun, who cares what the forum warriors say... in fact, I found it best to just avoid these forums for any sort of meaningful conversation - I mostly look at it as good humor now. The people you meet in game frequently don't share the perspectives of some of certain folks who live on these message boards and in the game and tend to be pretty unhappy in life.

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Is the "secret". EVE was never designed for consentual PvP and hopefully will never turn into another game of that kind. If that is too much against what a new player want's then EVE is not the game to play.
That said, this and industrialist character, I build stuff and mine in risky environments, expecting to get blown up at any moment if I don't know what I'm doing. My other character brings this on other players.

It is nothing of "hating carebears" - a large portion of the "griefer" community is driven "by tears" of those who don't understand suicide ganks "for **** and giggles".

Another portion of the EVE community is driven by ISK. If people fit their ratting ships with excessivly expensive modules that may drop from a ship kill. They're not more like highsec pirates, rather than griefers (as they make a lot of ISK when finding the golden egg.)

Carebears = risk free gaming.

Risk free gaming is boring as hell.

Most games out there are risk free. EVE is one of the few games that is overflowing with risk.

I was doing PI in high sec, fell asleep and got blowup by a war target, I wouldn't want EVE any other way.

^^This

Not even ship spinning in station is safe (now that there's a counter )... and one can be mercilessly scammed via contract, market, and/or trade window whilst docked.

Hell, even being logged off isn't safe -- you can have corp stuff stolen, or your alliance disbanded, or standings reset, or lose sov, or get wardec'd, etc.

(suffice to say, this is why we love this game, and wouldn't want anything to be changed)

Carebears are hypocrites. They get mad at the gankers for not being carebears.


My only beef with high sec carebears is that they think EVE should be like any other MMO. they think that playing within the mechanics of the game to get an advantage over someone else is 'griefing'

Point 1: Eve is a PvP game. There is no activity which does not have a PvP component. Even if what you're doing doesn't involve blowing up ships, you're participating in the market, which is almost completely disconnected from NPCs and thus puts you directly into competition with other players.

Mission running in high sec, while technically "as close as it gets" to pure PvE, isn't close to pure PvE because it actually doesn't _have_ pvp components, it's because the level of participation in the market by an in individual mission runner is fairly minimal. Or, to put it in simpler terms, you're generally not going to be carrying anything that's worth the time and effort required to blow you up and take it. A very internet-savvy reader may recognize this "safety" as the "obscurity through obscurity" protection scheme, you're not a high-profile target so generally you're only going to get countered if you're unlucky or you're involved more intimately in some supply chain that a competitor has an interest in cutting off (Low-sec mission runners and site runners end up on the wrong end of this a lot).

Point 2: You're not really a carebear as such solely for having a non-combat source of income or even a non-combat primary profession, you're a carebear if you mistake "non-combat" for "entirely PvE" and complain that you should be completely protected in your activities by direct intervention of the Devs in the form of partitioning game mechanics (the obvious example being "pvp flags" and "pvp zones" in many other MMOs).

The most common of these people are miners, who think that, simply because they shoot rocks instead of ships, CCP should make it de facto impossible to shoot them, because they're either stupid themselves or think the devs are stupid and can be convinced by superficial arguments that ignore that:

(2a) Mineral input is one of if not the most important contributors to the market game, which is PvP, and thus major players have a very significant interest both in seizing assets and undercutting competition and

(2b) They have plenty of options for self-protection that, especially in high-sec, WILL make them de facto impossible to kill while they mine (essentially, put up enough tank that you won't generally die before CONCORD shows up), there is simply a trade-off between productivity and defense that is _exactly_ like every other ship in the game.


SUMMARY: PvE all you want, just be aware that there's a PvP component to literally the entire game, and don't be a whiner when it bites you. If you shrug, buy another ship, and start fitting a bit more defensively or taking other countermeasures when you get blown up, you're not a carebear. You're only a carebear if you come whinging to us every time you put so many awesome modules on your faction mission runner that it becomes worth some pirate's time.

Plus, nothing beats the rush of blowing up a target ship you thought you were too weak to even dent.

Honestly I find most of the "hate" to be just two small, vocal groups of players hissing and spitting at each other on the forums. I've never noticed any of it in game.

You know what I mean, most people don't tend to stick with a rollercoaster themepark MMO for long time cause it will get boring.

Friends of mine have tried all sorts of MMO's yet every single one is left behind in like 1.5 month, as then it gets boring to play the same thing every single time they log in.

Hm pvprs feel like they are spetial and they are better than carebears because they focus on pvp... This is some kind of self-admiration and narcissism, infact they more carebears than other, big part of pvpr community care only about own killboard statistic, in some cases here is nothing about real pvp, like hunting people plan tactic, hard challenge, this is just gate camp with big blob, roaming with friends in like 50 fleet man and kiling solo targets in less than a 2-5sec after lock...


Some people feels as badass pvpr but infact they more griefers than those wo pvp, meny of them feels like warriors while ganking mining barges or industrals. If you read post form mad pvpr who hate carebears for 99% he is mad because no easy targets for him...

I know few people in eve who solo roaming in null space looking for targets and challenges, some of them even fight
vs multiple enemy and risk even target got possible reinforcement in local, those people never whine on forum about lvl 4 mission runers and miners ;)

Ps.Sorry for my grammar.