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Are Exhumer's a dead ship line ?
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Wilma Lawson
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#441 - 2012-06-06 02:02:58 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Did I figure out?

Yes you did. Here's a cookie.
Wilma Lawson
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#442 - 2012-06-06 02:03:47 UTC
Darth Tickles wrote:
It's impossible to be completely ungankable!!!!!

wahhhhhhhh!!

No, you're wrong.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#443 - 2012-06-06 02:06:02 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Draclira's Modified Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Draclira's Modified Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane


With those that Damnation will be ganked.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#444 - 2012-06-06 02:17:42 UTC
Wilma Lawson wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:

It's far easier to kill Miners in HS because they're less attentive to their surroundings than miners in 0.0
(also, if you're upset that cheap ships are killing your expensive Hulk, blame CONCORD, and look at the ratting Ragnarok+Nyx loss that happened just after the Logoffski changes. 50 Canes to kill 70b worth of ship.)

Yes, I believe this had been already discussed. Thank you for the summary.


AllYourISK was implying otherwise with her question.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#445 - 2012-06-06 02:30:56 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Draclira's Modified Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Draclira's Modified Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane


With those that Damnation will be ganked.


That was a response to
Jorma Morkkis wrote:

Except that 'million EHP Damnation' doesn't exist in hisec. You need the Erebus for that.


To show that it, in fact does exist in HS. A real cargo Damnation has a bit less than 1m EHP, but is close enough.
(Actually, take off the MWD, and you can get 1,001k EHP with A-Types for 3.2b total)

Tornado costs 90m fit for gank. (I'll use T2 fit nado damage for T1 fit cost here, real cost is 120m)
Draclira's are about 5B each, so 10b in droppable modules. Expected drop value 5b.

EHP vs Quake: 1.72m
Tornado Alpha (max skills, with 5% implants): 13000. Assume 2 shots.
26k Damage per Nado.

67 Tornados. Costing 6.03 Billion Isk.

Now that's assuming all Tornado pilots have perfect skills, implants, no shots miss, etc.

More reasonably, you're looking at 90-100 Tornados. 180+ if it's in .7 or above (no second shot). It's not getting ganked.

Even that 10b Isk Damnation is not a viable, For-Profit Suicide gank target.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Spineker
#446 - 2012-06-06 02:33:29 UTC
I need that Jacket RubyPorto!
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#447 - 2012-06-06 02:36:24 UTC
Spineker wrote:
I need that Jacket RubyPorto!


You can't have it. It's mine. My Preciousnessssss.

[hide]They're on the market.[/hide]

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Spineker
#448 - 2012-06-06 02:36:54 UTC
LoL is awesome!


I look liek a gangsta without the gang part
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#449 - 2012-06-06 02:38:55 UTC
Price Check Aisle3 wrote:
Exhumers don't belong in high-sec, but they're not a dead ship line.


^QFT, thread should have ended there.

There is no Bob.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#450 - 2012-06-06 02:40:52 UTC
Spineker wrote:
LoL is awesome!


I look liek a gangsta without the gang part


sta?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Jarod Leercap
On Three 125
#451 - 2012-06-06 04:31:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Jarod Leercap
Apologies, but deleted. The forum stripped out everything but a quote once I clicked Post, and it was too late to re-compose.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#452 - 2012-06-06 10:12:59 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Apparently the 101 curriculum you took skipped such crucial details as “arriving on grid” and “not being able to target a ship already in warp”.
So, scramblers don't work after "warp drive activated"?
Sure they do. They just don't work when the target is already in warp.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#453 - 2012-06-06 10:19:24 UTC
Jarod Leercap wrote:
Apologies, but deleted. The forum stripped out everything but a quote once I clicked Post, and it was too late to re-compose.


It should have saved a draft. Next time check the bottom left.

Happens to me all the time. Bugs the shit out of me.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#454 - 2012-06-06 10:24:38 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Sure they do. They just don't work when the target is already in warp.


How can you be 'already in warp' when you're warp scrambled? It's not just AFK cloakers (you people keep whining even though they can't do anything) who can use cloaking devices.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#455 - 2012-06-06 10:27:45 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
How can you be 'already in warp' when you're warp scrambled?
By entering warp before you get warp scrambled.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#456 - 2012-06-06 10:32:45 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Sure they do. They just don't work when the target is already in warp.


How can you be 'already in warp' when you're warp scrambled? It's not just AFK cloakers (you people keep whining even though they can't do anything) who can use cloaking devices.


If you're thinking that someone's gonna uncloak and scram you, you're an idiot.

If you think someone's going to bump you, and they successfully get close enough to bump an aligned Miner, surrounded by drones without being decloaked, AND are able to keep a hulk that only needs to hit 7m/s to warp bumped, then I think they deserve it. All that is not easy at all.

Also, EVEN if they do all that, you'll see them decloak in time; top speed cloaked is about 400m/s. When they decloak, there's a second before they can MWD, and they're at 1600. The first second of MWD *might* get the bump, but I doubt it. That means you have 2s to press a button. That's more than plenty of time.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#457 - 2012-06-06 10:38:58 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
How can you be 'already in warp' when you're warp scrambled?
By entering warp before you get warp scrambled.


http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Cloaking_device

RubyPorto wrote:
If you're thinking that someone's gonna uncloak and scram you, you're an idiot.

If you think someone's going to bump you, and they successfully get close enough to bump an aligned Miner, surrounded by drones without being decloaked, AND are able to keep a hulk that only needs to hit 7m/s to warp bumped, then I think they deserve it. All that is not easy at all.

Also, EVEN if they do all that, you'll see them decloak in time; top speed cloaked is about 400m/s. When they decloak, there's a second before they can MWD, and they're at 1600. The first second of MWD *might* get the bump, but I doubt it. That means you have 2s to press a button. That's more than plenty of time.


Hulk/Covetor can't hit 66m/s in 2 seconds. Even if I used Daredevil to web said Hulk/Covetor they could just easily take it out with T1 fit Rifter and continue their gank with blaster awesomeness.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#458 - 2012-06-06 10:42:33 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
How can you be 'already in warp' when you're warp scrambled?
By entering warp before you get warp scrambled.


http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Cloaking_device

RubyPorto wrote:
If you're thinking that someone's gonna uncloak and scram you, you're an idiot.

If you think someone's going to bump you, and they successfully get close enough to bump an aligned Miner, surrounded by drones without being decloaked, AND are able to keep a hulk that only needs to hit 7m/s to warp bumped, then I think they deserve it. All that is not easy at all.

Also, EVEN if they do all that, you'll see them decloak in time; top speed cloaked is about 400m/s. When they decloak, there's a second before they can MWD, and they're at 1600. The first second of MWD *might* get the bump, but I doubt it. That means you have 2s to press a button. That's more than plenty of time.


Hulk/Covetor can't hit 66m/s in 2 seconds. Even if I used Daredevil to web said Hulk/Covetor they could just easily take it out with T1 fit Rifter and continue their gank with blaster awesomeness.


Hulks Webbing Hulks. We've been over this. I again begin to worry about your head injury.

You are ALIGNED in this situation.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#459 - 2012-06-06 10:48:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Cloaking_device
Doesn't let you scramble people before they enter warp. In fact, in most instances, it makes it harder to do so.

…and you still can't scramble anything that has entered warp.


The point you seem to be missing here is that entering warp can take roughly zero seconds. It's funny to see how you mange to continue in your never-ending quest to not know anything about the game mechanics.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#460 - 2012-06-06 10:50:17 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Cloaking_device
Doesn't let you scramble people before they enter warp. In fact, in most instances, it makes it harder to do so.

…and you still can't scramble anything that has entered warp.


Covert ops, SB, force recon and BO don't have targeting delay after decloaking.