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New dev blog: A letter to the followers of EVE

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#221 - 2011-10-05 19:41:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Athena
In a previous post I wrote this

Vincent Athena wrote:
"We watch what you do, not what you say"

If you really think that's true, and nothing CCP says has value, do you think they should say anything?

Its odd, as I see two lines of thought going on in the forums. One is the above, and the other is CCP does not communicate enough. But as soon as CCP does communicate, they get slapped down with the above statement.

So what do we want them to do?

My suggestion:


Say what you do.
Do what you say.
We watch both.


Then in CCP Hellmar's blog I read this:

"But enough talk from me. We all know that much quoted phrase, “It’s not what you say, it’s what you do,” that will make the difference here. From now on, CCP will focus on doing what we say and saying what we do. That is the path to restoring trust and moving forward."

and I had to look under my chair in order to retrieve my jaw.

Thanks.

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Kronus Heilgar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#222 - 2011-10-05 19:44:41 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
You said you were going to watch what we did. I know what you were thinking when you wrote those words, but let me recast them for you in another way. EVE is a sandbox, In the MMO world, EVE should stand for community, for partnership between players and developers, for continual evolution, for the greatest social experiment in gaming history.

Give us the opportunity to work with you, give us the tools to reshape this gorgeous, vicious, intriguing, unparalleled universe and then, by God, watch what we do with them.


Don't let us down and we won't let you down.

Deal?


QFT. Well said.

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Ancy Denaries
Frontier Venture
#223 - 2011-10-05 19:46:08 UTC
A heartfelt "thank you" to you from me Hilmar. That takes a LOT of courage to step up and say you were wrong, and you have my utmost respect for it. We can only go forward from here.

"Shoot at anything that moves. If it doesn't move, shoot it anyway, it might move later."

"Do not be too positive. The light at the end of the tunnel could be a train." - Franz Kafka

Caius Sivaris
Dark Nexxus
S I L E N T.
#224 - 2011-10-05 19:46:15 UTC
CCP Hellmar wrote:

Removing ship spinning was a negligent oversight and a clear sign that we had fallen out of touch with our community.


The spin doctor who wrote that (does someone think those are Hilmar's words?) really think of the community as a bunch of morons. It's not an oversight when you are warned multiple times and defiantly reply that the feature is a goner and won't be back.

Then I'm almost hearing you scourging yourself, and that's music to my hears, now when start to see acts after words, I for one will resub my cancelled accounts. This game is so close yet so far to be really good, it's a shame that overstretching the company put us all in such a quagmire.
JitaPriceChecker2
Doomheim
#225 - 2011-10-05 19:46:44 UTC
You know CCP Himlar , you were only forced to implement NEX store because you neglected EVE and subscribers started to get sick of current policy.

Immortal DeathKnight
Bring Da Fire
#226 - 2011-10-05 19:46:59 UTC
i really doubt that the Hilmar guy wrote the blog, Twisted
but still a plus, and a step in the right direction

i was thinking to quit eve, now i would like to see the new cap nerf, new ships etc. P
maybe it is still hope for EVE after all Blink
Grimpak
Manufactorum.
Atomic Fusion Industries
#227 - 2011-10-05 19:47:11 UTC
committing mistakes and learning from them is always the best way to learn about it.
Hopefully this blog will restore faith in many people.


now me, I'll wait and see as always, this time quite more hopeful than before.

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DeBingJos
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#228 - 2011-10-05 19:47:37 UTC
Thank you very much.

Interesting times ahead.

I hope it's not too late already. A lot of my ingame friends left the game. I just hope the winter expansion will bring some of them back!

+1 to CCP

Lets see what the future brings...

Ungi maðurinn þekkir reglurnar, en gamli maðurinn þekkir undantekningarnar. The young man knows the rules, but the old man knows the exceptions.

Lee Wai
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#229 - 2011-10-05 19:49:58 UTC
Props for writing this man.. Now I hope and trust you will carry out these written intentions. :)
HyperZerg
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#230 - 2011-10-05 19:52:26 UTC
Wow....

better late then never.

Want to restore the trust the community had in you ? Remove all AUR related stuff and bring it back when it's read
Kina Ayami
The Marmite Mercenaries
P I R A T
#231 - 2011-10-05 19:54:06 UTC
The first good step in the right direction.
Now keep it going, make eve flourish :)



Dasquirrel715
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#232 - 2011-10-05 19:54:44 UTC
Thank you Hilmar, for admitting failure. There is trust back in the community.
Ponder Yonder
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc.
Illusion of Solitude
#233 - 2011-10-05 19:55:00 UTC
A sincere thank you, Hilmar.

I look forward with hope and great anticipation to the future of Eve.


-- Fly Reckless
Logicycle
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#234 - 2011-10-05 19:59:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Logicycle
Wise Words. Nice to read. Thx. I never thought that the "controversy" was that big of a deal anyways.

P.S. Since you are in the mood to fix things.. Can you give me back my old Eos before it was nerfed down to a kitty cat in a pink tutu.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#235 - 2011-10-05 20:00:38 UTC
Well, thats why I'm still playing after eight and a half years.

Its nice to see the leader of CCP rediscovering the art of doing things differently and learning to love the spaceships again!

Seriously, its a good blog and I'm happy the revolutionary spirit in New Eden this summer has had what looks to be a good outcome.

That said, I still hate NeX!

On the point of alternative revenue to make up for falling monthly subs model - the truth is staring you in the face still. PleX is microtransactions in a form that Eve can live with. RL rich players buy plex for for $ to convert to ISK via the market in order to buy flashy spaceships. The end.

There really isn't a need (or potential) for reinventing the wheel on this.

If you want to increase revenue via PleX invent isk sinks.



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GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#236 - 2011-10-05 20:00:51 UTC
After a long period where you guys have said alot of dumb stuff, this is a step in the right direction. Well done. Now make sure the next steps are similarly positive.

One nit-pick, however:

Quote:
The game needs new ships


EVE has nearly 250 different ships, the problem is that probably three quarters of these are either outright worthless or massively outclassed by other options. Balance the existing range first, then worry about whether its wise to add more.

(Not that I expect this to be read down on page 12 or 13, but thought I'd add it anyway)

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.

Ubiquitous Newt
The F-Bombers
#237 - 2011-10-05 20:01:10 UTC
Huh. You actually correctly repeated more or less every point we were screaming at you during the now internet-famous Jita 4 protest. ...with a bit of self-criticism to boot. Nice work.

...Let me guess; you really DID have an appreciable dip in subscriptions, didn't you? We told you we would vote with our feet, didn't we?

I still have to ask - if you're aware that all these issues were and are so unpopular, why are they still up and implemented? You want to *really* impress us? Cut the captain's quarters until it's ready, bring down the vanity item prices, and maybe put in some new content that's not solely geared to people in 1000-man corps.

Overall, I endorse this somewhat less defensive and arrogant approach big-time. Maybe I'll even play some Eve?
Dorn Val
Probe Patrol
#238 - 2011-10-05 20:01:23 UTC
I only have one word for you Mr. Hilmar:

Respect

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Tairon Usaro
G-Fleet Alpha
G-Fleet Alliance
#239 - 2011-10-05 20:02:21 UTC
Before i came to EVE i had played star wars galaxies for 2 years. Sony Online Entertainment obviously had lost the relationship with their fan base & community and instead of trying to fix it, they decided to ignore it and opted for the big numbers of WoW by attracting new customers with a completed revamp called New Game Experience, converting a good sandbox into a mediocre theme park game. Their arrogance peaked, when they started marketing and pre-selling game features, which were to be removed with the revamp 2 month later. This made me cancel all my accounts and compel SOE to refund the pre-ordered expansions.
The final impetus to my decision were letters to the community written by John Smedley, CEO of SOE, where he tryed to justifiy their business decision of revamping the game towards NGE, but only proved that he does not have the slightes clue of game and its community.
Even today - 5 years after - i am in anger with Sony and try to avoid to purchase Sony products ... any products, not just computer games .....

Fortunately, the reminiscence of this desaster i had with EVE for the last 6-12 month has ended as of today. I acknowledge, that CCP is aware of having temporarily lost their Mojo and has initiated or already implemented steps to regain it.

looking forward to see these changes enter the game !

Miklas Laces
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#240 - 2011-10-05 20:03:30 UTC
ITT: CCP shitting in their pants because subscriptions are going down