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New Corporation Tax System
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FearBytes
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-05-27 20:32:31 UTC
Currently, corporations are only allowed to set a blanked tax across the entire corporation.

I propose having additional tax settings for things such as belt ratting, mission running, market taxes etc. Being able to set each tax separately would be of great use.

For example, mission running gives you a small isk amount and then an lp amount upon completing the mission. I would like to be able to set the mission isk tax to 100% while keeping the ratting tax at 10-15%.

Thoughts?
Operation Stink-eye
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-05-28 20:03:50 UTC
I think the idea of separating taxes is a good one. Though I think you would need broader categories, and they need to fit with the eve vibe.

Possibly brackets such as, Concord Bounties, Agent Rewards, Player Bounties, Market Transactions, Contracts etc.

You shouldn't really try to distiguish between activities as it's a sandbox.

I doubt many corporations would even use divided taxation, but it certainly would be nice to have the option, providing it fit with the gameplay, rather than altering it massively.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#3 - 2012-05-28 23:26:07 UTC
Posting in a stealth "let us tax your market income" thread.

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sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-05-29 00:29:06 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Posting in a stealth "let us tax your market income" thread.


This. Eve is a sandbox, you don't get to micromanage what activities people engage in.
FearBytes
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-05-29 03:24:43 UTC
Operation Stink-eye wrote:
I think the idea of separating taxes is a good one. Though I think you would need broader categories, and they need to fit with the eve vibe.

Possibly brackets such as, Concord Bounties, Agent Rewards, Player Bounties, Market Transactions, Contracts etc.

You shouldn't really try to distiguish between activities as it's a sandbox.

I doubt many corporations would even use divided taxation, but it certainly would be nice to have the option, providing it fit with the gameplay, rather than altering it massively.



I agree with you, a mate of mine mentioned it and I quickly made a post to get some feedback and hopefully get some CCP eyes and interest on the subject :)
Idris Mandela
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-05-29 03:37:02 UTC
FearBytes wrote:
Operation Stink-eye wrote:
I think the idea of separating taxes is a good one. Though I think you would need broader categories, and they need to fit with the eve vibe.

Possibly brackets such as, Concord Bounties, Agent Rewards, Player Bounties, Market Transactions, Contracts etc.

You shouldn't really try to distiguish between activities as it's a sandbox.

I doubt many corporations would even use divided taxation, but it certainly would be nice to have the option, providing it fit with the gameplay, rather than altering it massively.



I agree with you, a mate of mine mentioned it and I quickly made a post to get some feedback and hopefully get some CCP eyes and interest on the subject :)


While I agree with you in general, I think whats more needed is an ability to issue "Flat tax bills" tailored to members of the corporation.

For example you have miners as well as mission runners in your corp. The mission runners you get the tax from automatically but what about the miners? They just sell thier ore / minerals to the market and you dont see any returns there.

One way ofcourse is that you require a weekly or monthly contribution in terms of minerals for services rendered, as agreed on before hand, however this means that you have to deal with liquidity issues as well as market payments.

A Flat tax bill means you can set up a daily, weekly or monthly bill with that particular member who agrees to pay said amount, and is automatically prompted to pay on a regular timeframe. he can ofcourse not pay said bill and deal with the consequences, but there is nothing that makes it "automatic"
HalfArse
Wixo Trading Co.
#7 - 2012-06-02 22:21:04 UTC  |  Edited by: HalfArse
I think being able to tax market transactions, and to be able to do it seperatly from bounty tax would be very helpful indeed.

Im a lone industrialist, i have friends in various corps and we all hang out in the same channels but we all do our own thing....i would love to join/create a corp where I could work together with fellow builders etc but theres just not really any point,
yes you can co-operate with ppl to make stuff but you can basically do everything yourself (often easier) and each make more money that way...making working together pointless and industrial corps redundant



right now an industalist member of a corp build their stuff and sells it and and makes no contribution to the corp...the only way would be if they volunatarily gave money - the corp could set a required amount but thats a bit hard...ie a set amount per week? no one likes quotas....a % of sales? whos to say the member is being truthful...or likes keeping accurate details of what they have made.


If there was a way to set a tax rate on market sales that would solve everything....members of a corp can build and sell their stuff, the corp gets a cut and can invest in pos fuel/labs/expensive BPOs for members to use etc which helps them make more profit, which makes teh corp more profit which can be spent on more BPOs etc etc.

If its seperate fromt eh bounty tax then non industralist corps can just set it to 0....everyones a winner :D
HalfArse
Wixo Trading Co.
#8 - 2012-06-05 12:44:37 UTC
and on a similar tho separate line of thought......would be really nice to have corporate buy/sell orders separate to individual ones...as in they fall under the corp wallet tab and anyone with the correct corp roles can update/cancel etc a corp order set up by anyone else.
Zyress
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-06-05 14:10:52 UTC
That should make you real popular with your corp.Roll In my last corp we had one night a week when the Tax rate was 100% but most people even null seccers eventually come to empire to refill their pockets with isk, if you tax missions 100% all the time then you limit the ways they have to do this.
Draven MCcloud
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-06-05 17:28:41 UTC
Hi i have also been thinking about something like this,,My thought was more along the lines of market taxes in general and why we pay them and to Who? to add to this thread why not have market transactions taxes go to the corps of the sellers, unless some 1 can tell me why we have that tax to begin with..seems like this can be done for contract brokers fees and anything else that has a fee,,,,maybe im wrong cuz i have no clue who these fees and taxes are going to like the cspa charge?well my thats my thoughts..thx for reading
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-06-05 17:39:02 UTC
Draven MCcloud wrote:
Hi i have also been thinking about something like this,,My thought was more along the lines of market taxes in general and why we pay them and to Who? to add to this thread why not have market transactions taxes go to the corps of the sellers, unless some 1 can tell me why we have that tax to begin with..seems like this can be done for contract brokers fees and anything else that has a fee,,,,maybe im wrong cuz i have no clue who these fees and taxes are going to like the cspa charge?well my thats my thoughts..thx for reading


Isk sink.
Trollin
Perkone
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-06-05 17:45:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Trollin
i would just run (out of corp) (2nd account) for refining+market activities if this idea is implement.

mission/ratting is the only thing that can honestly be taxed thru mains

miners will ---->out of corp alt refine (in npc space)
miners will rorq/compress/jump--->out of corp alt refine (in null)
traders will ---->out of corp alt trade (traders only have to be in space in current region to issue trade orders)

if it takes a 2nd account thats little bother, the isk is clearly there for plex.

all your idea are easily circumvent.

The market is already tanking due to northern hemisphere summer + vanguard nerf already, no "isk sink" is needed.

We are our own worst enemy.
Draven MCcloud
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-06-05 17:56:36 UTC
that wasnt my point to have out of corps alts,,,,the intention was there for people who want to help their corps...isk sink?
Trollin
Perkone
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-06-05 17:59:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Trollin
isk sink was reference to above, market is already falling fast that is the isk sink

i get what your point was, what i have said is what will actually happen in response

people dont like tax, its fine for wormholers (as they have infrastructure and fuel costs that most kspace corp doesnt)


But can you honestly say you want to be a footsoldier in the system you describe?
Or that you wouldnt try to circumvent the system if it was put in and you didnt like what your ceo was demanding?

We are our own worst enemy.
Draven MCcloud
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-06-05 18:03:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Draven MCcloud
we are paying the tax any way,,,,,better than giving my taxes to nobody......
Trollin
Perkone
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-06-05 18:08:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Trollin
my argument wasn't with you, its with op, i thought you were them for a minute, my 1st post is at OP idea

if you want market taxes funneled to corp if a member of player corp otherwise to the void for npc on i can agree with that, ill be in my own corp collecting my own tax instead of npc getting it.

We are our own worst enemy.
HalfArse
Wixo Trading Co.
#17 - 2012-06-06 11:06:16 UTC
Trollin wrote:
i would just run (out of corp) (2nd account) for refining+market activities if this idea is implement.

mission/ratting is the only thing that can honestly be taxed thru mains

miners will ---->out of corp alt refine (in npc space)
miners will rorq/compress/jump--->out of corp alt refine (in null)
traders will ---->out of corp alt trade (traders only have to be in space in current region to issue trade orders)

if it takes a 2nd account thats little bother, the isk is clearly there for plex.

all your idea are easily circumvent.

The market is already tanking due to northern hemisphere summer + vanguard nerf already, no "isk sink" is needed.




then you'd be a crappy corp member and kicked, and probably asked why you joined the corp in the first place. The tax would work for corporations with members that wanted their corp to do well as a corp, tho i can understand why it would be rubbish for corps full of people who only joined to get out of the npc corps.
Noriko Mai
#18 - 2012-06-06 13:13:39 UTC
Imho best tax is 0%. Just charge a fee per month or week.

"Meh.." - Albert Einstein