EVE General Discussion

How do you reduce the time it takes to train skills in general without reducing the time it takes to get to level 5? Without increasing the multiplier for level 5, reducing training time will impact that 18 years figure.

no simply no
No one should be great at EVERYTHING
that provide the intensive for people to specialize and encourage teamplay instead of being an one man army

You want all them skills,well prepare to wait,son.

It's not so much about specialization that I am concerned with, it's the re-specialization that can be a problem as is required in EVE. Things change and you have to adapt or you die, simple. I just want to make that a bit quicker so to allow for faster adapting and therefore faster change as well.

Also, think of the new people who join this game and see the huge amount of time it takes to get just about anywhere in EVE that is interesting in terms of skills. Quite a few people get turned off by the huge time investment that EVE can be in terms of training. Some of these people are perfectly willing to adapt to change and can, it's just that the time it takes to do so seems unreasonable to them.

Reducing the training time will have little effect on EVE overall, but it will make EVE a little less of time hog. I really don't see such a change as drastic as it really is not. Sure, there might be some upheaval immediately proceeding the change, but things will calm down fairly quickly as they always do.



Indeed, by why not actually have that skill at level V and maximize a given ships/module's potential. Skill is a major deciding factor in EVE and SP has little to do with that skill. Given such logic I don't see how reducing the training time overall will have much of a lasting negative impact. Such a change would make EVE less of a time grind and not much else. As you and others have put it individual skill is the real deciding factor in EVE not SP so lowering the overall training time isn't going to change things in EVE it just increases the quality of one's EVE gaming experience.

Having max SP would make you great at NOTHING. SP has nothing do with how great someone is at doing various things. Having max SP still wouldn't make you a one man army either as you will probably get blobbed

There are two places I see where re-speccing is a problem. The first is in shifting nullsec fleet doctrines, and being an obeying lapdog is what you sign up for when you sign up for someone who does large sov warfare. No sympathy there.

The second is for people who insist on flying flavor of the month garbage. Drake gets changed to be in line with the other BCs? Boo-hoo, I have to respec. Dramiel got brought back in line? Boo-hoo, I have to find a new autowin mobile. Datacores changed? Oh no, I have to respec!

If you're suckling the teat of one very specific aspect of a very dynamic game, you are very misinformed, and you don't need faster training to be able to switch between teats more quickly as they dry out.


A couple of very young (a couple months, if that) pilots in electronic warfare ships were crucial to my corp getting a 2+ billion ISK Tengu kill today. The problem is not that newbies are useless, but that nobody helps them find their place properly. That is not going to be solved by more SP.


Nope. Faster training, SP reimbursements, and all that shebang simply encourages "shoot from the hip" training towards whatever is perceived to be the "best ship" at that time, and reduces the rewards of long term commitment to a particular ship or play style. In other words, you know how there is an overabundance of Drakes and Hurricanes? Think of that, but worse.


Removing level V skills as niche rewards for dedicating oneself to a particular ship or play style for a long time would never fly with those who have already trained level V skills. Level IV in a ship's skills means "I can fly this well", while level V means "I fly this great, and all the time". The former is casual. The latter is specialization. Specialization is rewarded in Eve.

tl;dr: idea is bad because of FOTM, because of penalizing bittervets, because of not rewarding commitment/specialization, and because of Falcon.

No I disagree : )


For one thing I'm not halfway there (except in time) as I have taken breaks and been lax with training sometimes. I like the skill system. You train for what you need and when your done move onto to something else. I like the fact it takes time, I also like the fact I don't have to grind skill points by killing 100 space bunnies.

I have lots of fun. Disagreeing with you doesn't remove the fun from the game. (actually it might add some)

Tal

Those who rush to train a BS without understanding it nor spending ample time in a cruiser or BC, usually die hard. Training time length is more a helmet check to ensure people don't rush into things they don't understand or afford. Imagine all the nubs who would be trying to gate jump carriers because it only took them 3 weeks to train for one.

I don't think you are understanding my sentence structure incorrectly. Perhaps it is the assumptions about my frame of mind you made when reading such statements that were incorrect?

By saying saying 18+ yeas of training is a bit much I am logically implying that generally everything in the overall skill tree takes too long.



And if that "skill state" only took 6 months to attain would you be less satisfied or perhaps filled with rage about how little time it took. I am going to take a guess on that and so no.



Ah, then you would prefer it to be longer then? How about 50 years? 100 years?

See what I am getting at there? Making training take less time seems better than making it longer, no? Or did you want a 1,000 year training queue you glutton for punishment?

Anyone else start a skill, note it will take under a week to ten days to complete, and mumble to themselves, "Great, another short skill..." while wondering what to train next after that...?