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Sony Says, "Let me hold 10 dollars."

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Nak hak
#1 - 2011-10-05 18:32:14 UTC
Big smile

At Sony, we see you more then a customer. You're our resource to be harvested.

What a great business model. Ugh

Sony Bringing PSN Pass To All First-Party Games

Movie theaters could change marks, I mean customers, an extra $10 for sound. Home delivery pizza companies could charge for delivery. Wait, they already do that. What other businesses could use this model?

Ah, I don't play Sony.

Link:

Sony: All Future Multiplayer-Capable Games Will Use PSN Pass

Confirmed: Online passes for all future online Sony games

It's about freedom.

Best Regards, Nak hak

Shadowsword
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2011-10-05 20:12:26 UTC
The did say it's for used games only. Original buyers won't pay anything more.

It's an obvious attempt to cripple the second-hand market.
Nak hak
#3 - 2011-10-05 20:39:40 UTC
Shadowsword wrote:

It's an obvious attempt to cripple the second-hand market.


Yes. Same reason Walmart don't have flee markets in their parking lots.

When done with games, I remember handing them off to friends. Now they ended up at the second-hand store( Goodwill, Salvation Army,....etc.).


It's about freedom.

Best Regards, Nak hak

Taedrin
Virtues Corporation
#4 - 2011-10-06 03:50:03 UTC
Shadowsword wrote:
The did say it's for used games only. Original buyers won't pay anything more.

It's an obvious attempt to cripple the second-hand market.


It should be noted that the industry recognizes that the second-hand market is far more "damaging" to sales than software piracy is. I find this interesting that the industry attacks legitimate consumers just as much (if not more) than illegitimate ones.
Nak hak
#5 - 2011-10-06 04:11:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Nak hak
Corporations see person to person transactions as a threat to their profit. They wish people would just give them their money and shut up. They really don't like people much.

It's about freedom.

Best Regards, Nak hak

Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2011-10-06 04:17:28 UTC
if companies made good games instead of crap people would hold onto them longer. the last good shooter was probably fallout 3

the games that were AAA this gen are few and far between when last gen, which was much shorter had more games that lasted longer
this gen we had Rainbow 6 vegas, Cod4 oblivion and fallout 3.....
last gen
KOTOR
star wars battlefront 1 and 2
BF2/MC
GTA III vice city an san andreas
and a few others, any of which are better then any game coming out this year.. ( except maybe skyrim )
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2011-10-06 05:33:17 UTC
This is part of the reason I came back to Eve... sure CCP screws us but at least they use lube and try to be a little romantic first. I just use my PS3 for Netflix and Blu-rays anyway, console games don't give me the graphics that I've come to expect from PC games so the concept of having to pay extra for their sub-par crap is pretty insulting.

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Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
#8 - 2011-10-06 10:30:43 UTC
Taedrin wrote:
Shadowsword wrote:
The did say it's for used games only. Original buyers won't pay anything more.

It's an obvious attempt to cripple the second-hand market.


It should be noted that the industry recognizes that the second-hand market is far more "damaging" to sales than software piracy is. I find this interesting that the industry attacks legitimate consumers just as much (if not more) than illegitimate ones.



Good point. I wonder when one can get second hand eBooks for the Kindle...

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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
#9 - 2011-10-07 10:41:08 UTC
Taedrin wrote:
Shadowsword wrote:
The did say it's for used games only. Original buyers won't pay anything more.

It's an obvious attempt to cripple the second-hand market.


It should be noted that the industry recognizes that the second-hand market is far more "damaging" to sales than software piracy is. I find this interesting that the industry attacks legitimate consumers just as much (if not more) than illegitimate ones.



Imagine if the car industry tried to do the same thing...

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#10 - 2011-10-07 11:35:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Slade Trillgon
Shadowsword wrote:
The did say it's for used games only. Original buyers won't pay anything more.

It's an obvious attempt to cripple the second-hand market.


What I can not understand, about this and also within the music industry, is how transfering music between computers, free or otherwise, is a violation of copyright, but buying and selling used copies of music/games/video/ is perfectly legal. Which is pointed out below.

Taedrin wrote:
Shadowsword wrote:
The did say it's for used games only. Original buyers won't pay anything more.

It's an obvious attempt to cripple the second-hand market.


It should be noted that the industry recognizes that the second-hand market is far more "damaging" to sales than software piracy is. I find this interesting that the industry attacks legitimate consumers just as much (if not more) than illegitimate ones.



What makes it even more funny is that these second hand business have to be a heck of a lot easier to track down as compaired to people on the internet that are trading/stealing games. I mean, I can drive down the road and see 3 of them in the first two miles /facepalm

/insert tinfoil

The big guys have their hands in the first hand and second hand markets and are going to use this to tap an etra $10 from people that use the second hand market for any multiplayer game. Twisted


Slade
Zagam
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2011-10-07 14:09:39 UTC
Herping yourDerp wrote:
if companies made good games instead of crap people would hold onto them longer. the last good shooter was probably fallout 3

the games that were AAA this gen are few and far between when last gen, which was much shorter had more games that lasted longer
this gen we had Rainbow 6 vegas, Cod4 oblivion and fallout 3.....
last gen
KOTOR
star wars battlefront 1 and 2
BF2/MC
GTA III vice city an san andreas
and a few others, any of which are better then any game coming out this year.. ( except maybe skyrim )

Fallout: New Vegas is good, too... (storyline is more contrived than Fallout 3, but overall game play IMO is better)

But, yes, I will agree that if game quality went up, the secondhand market would be less of a factor. Too many games have lots of shiny junk in them, but little in the way of replayability. Give me a game that I can play 3 times and have a different experience each time, and you better believe I'm holding onto that game.
Zagam
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#12 - 2011-10-07 14:10:56 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Taedrin wrote:
Shadowsword wrote:
The did say it's for used games only. Original buyers won't pay anything more.

It's an obvious attempt to cripple the second-hand market.


It should be noted that the industry recognizes that the second-hand market is far more "damaging" to sales than software piracy is. I find this interesting that the industry attacks legitimate consumers just as much (if not more) than illegitimate ones.



Imagine if the car industry tried to do the same thing...

They do.. its called "extended warranties" and "absurd labor rates at the dealership".
Reiisha
#13 - 2011-10-07 17:07:54 UTC
The rules of supply and demand don't apply when supply is, for all intents and purposes, infinite.

Corporations are just trying to artificially limit the supply rather than drop the product as-is and switch to a service based model, of which this 'measure' is a part, trying to extend the life of physical boxes in all the wrong ways.

If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...

Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#14 - 2011-10-07 17:17:07 UTC
Nak hak wrote:
Big smile

At Sony, we see you more then a customer. You're our resource to be harvested.

What a great business model. Ugh

Movie theaters could change marks, I mean customers, an extra $10 for sound. Home delivery pizza companies could charge for delivery. Wait, they already do that. What other businesses could use this model?


But game companies charging for new map-packs and things on top of initial purchasing fees is fine, right?

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

Nak hak
#15 - 2011-10-07 18:48:19 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
Nak hak wrote:
Big smile

At Sony, we see you more then a customer. You're our resource to be harvested.

What a great business model. Ugh

Movie theaters could change marks, I mean customers, an extra $10 for sound. Home delivery pizza companies could charge for delivery. Wait, they already do that. What other businesses could use this model?


But game companies charging for new map-packs and things on top of initial purchasing fees is fine, right?

Not fine with me. I have no problem with subscription games.

Companies should create new content/services/products to keep current customers happy, and hopefully bring in new paying ones. Doesn't seem be be the way they mostly operate. To busy bleeding the current customer base and spend valuable resources trying to capture new customers. At cost of ones they have. That is just bad customer management.

Some companies don't ever have customer retention programs,....cough,....CCP,.....cough.

It's about freedom.

Best Regards, Nak hak