Market Discussions

If you're going to babysit an order, you may as well anticipate this scenario and refrain from listing your stock in one chunk. If you try to impose a game mechanic to prevent this, it could still be circumvented by multiboxing alts.

Gotta work smarter, not harder :-)

That would be a valid "fix" imo.

The timer helps reduce the load on the server so I still think it's needed. The seller who cuts their stacks in half has less product at the forefront so there is a bit of a drawback on that initially. Plus he can only divide into so many stacks before he gimps himself.

The market timer still throttles the spam if they're .01ing. Once you .01 your 2 or 3 stacks, then the timer on the stacks will catch up. That way the server can handle the load for everyone a lot easier.

this is pretty much the cutest thread md has seen in years.

It's an accepted practice, though I try to avoid 0.01 isk wars as much as possible. Got better things to do with my time. :o

Nah the : '' I bought a freighter now how can i earn money with it'' will allways be my favourite one.

Split your stacks guys and your have less time to wait. Instead of selling 100 in one stack, you sell 2x50 and those with 5min waiting time are getting tears. You will be always faster.

Like noted its a valid method of circumvent the timer. It also shows how stupid this whole 0.1isk game is, so the main "skill" u need is simply how much time u have on your hands clicking "modify order" + scroll-up + enter. This is so efficient and works for buy and sell orders, basically 3 traders that have no RL job can 0.1isk deadlock any good they want. I wish the order system would more reflect real world markets, where u cant simply change a order every 5mins and have to actually "think" how and when u setup a order.

There are some tactics that can help:

1) Always change 1-3 random numbers in the price and don't just scroll-up. This means instead of just a lazy scroll-up, the trader has to at least manually or via copy&paste get the current price, which basically doubles or triples the effective update time for him/her. So this may or may not annoy him at least a bit, but since he already plays this boring and annoying 0.1isk game anyway he may be unaffected by this :p

2) If u don't play 0.1isk games always increase in large steps, the traders will beat your price by 0.1isk anyway 1-5 min later. So u can try scare them off, if they notice u will always raise your price by a meaningful amount, therefor raising/lowering the avg. price, which is also normally not in the interest of the trader. The problem here is that u need solid knowledge of the good u sell/buy, so u can set valid min/max limits. This works best if u are an industrialist, since your profit wont come only from the trade margin, so u can be more aggressive on your price politic, while the trader has to work just with the trade margin.

3) U can try manipulate a price, works especially good in Jita with lots of competition. The basic idea is to slowly but steady raise/lower the sell/buy order price. The idea here is that your goal is to simply reduce the trader margin, so less traders are interested in this particular good. U may take a small loss, if u change to aggressively, but if done right u can pretty much lower the margin between sell/buy orders drastically. Keep in mind this only works if u can abandon this market yourself and are not depending on it. So if u operate in other markets, your competition buying in your manipulated market has to pay more or sell for less.


bye

Andy


PS: Um don't get me wrong, i have nothing against u hard working station traders :p Without u guys i would have to spend much more time babysitting my sell orders, instead of just being able to sell to your buy orders or direct to bulk list or via contract. For me it simply feels wrong, that online time alone dictates who wins the 0.1isk game, wished there would be a more "brain" involving mechanic regarding this sell/buy queue system.

The above are all wrong. You must sell all your items in one sell order or you can be banned for spamming the market with multiple orders.