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Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
#21 - 2012-06-03 16:49:52 UTC
Your first thread was moved, the second one was locked and now you are trying for a 3rd time. Lol
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2012-06-03 16:51:32 UTC
The first thread was heavily debunked, time and time again, the second one was locked for discussing moderation, and the third one is pants on head ********.

Progress, people. Progress.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#23 - 2012-06-03 16:55:37 UTC
Because of Matt Damon.

Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims.
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#24 - 2012-06-03 16:58:02 UTC
PMT makes locating a war target trivial.
PMT makes avoiding a war target trivial.
PMT prevents true stealth attacks.
PMT prevents true stealth travel.
PMT gives intelligence unearned and effort free at zero cost.
PMT makes chaos theory and emergent gameplay an impossibility.
PMT makes scouting skills on your pvp character an exercise in futility.
PMT inevitably turns all sanctioned pvp into a campfest.
PMT makes hiring a merc corp to war dec a grief corp a waste of effort and resources.
PMT makes cloaking in general, useless.
PMT makes "afk" presence an option for asset denial.
PMT allows gate camping to be done in relative safety and without do risk of larger camps sneaking up on them.
PMT makes neutral alts mandatory when targeting a competent player for non-consensual pvp.
PMT doesn't make sense in a hardcore sandbox MMO and feels amateur in implementation.
PMT being removed would kill most botting operations in EVE with zero coding required.
PMT is a crutch used for the lazy to secure themselves from risk.
PMT allows suicide gankers to find miners without any real scanning work being done beforehand.
PMT makes the vastness of space feel absurdly small.
PMT makes black ops somewhat pointless.
PMT makes non-consensual pvp a myth. At best something only the dimmest endure.


Second attempt

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-06-03 16:59:39 UTC
PMT?
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#26 - 2012-06-03 17:01:25 UTC
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
PMT?



Google is your friend. Also, my sig applies to you.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
Lucy Ferrr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2012-06-03 17:02:28 UTC
I agree it's time for local to go. I shouldn't be forced into a worm hole to not get my hand-held. Local was never intended to be the ultimate source of intel, having it be so is lame. But I feel I am just beating a dead horse... We all know local needs to be changed, well all of us besides a few loud carebears/nul-bears.
Ituhata Saken
Killboard Padding Services
#28 - 2012-06-03 17:02:41 UTC
For my second word choice, I would like to go with "Falcon."

So close...
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-06-03 17:03:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Caliph Muhammed
@ Cutter You seem bitter. Angry. Do my words incite those feelings within you? How on earth do you cope with real life when a post on a forum can make you so irate?

I'm sorry. I take no enjoyment in making you feel that way.
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#30 - 2012-06-03 17:05:05 UTC
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
@ Cutter You seem bitter. Angry. Do my words incite those feelings within you? How on earth do you cope with real life when a post on a forum can make you so irate?


Aww, aren't you sweet. You honestly think I am irate, hahaha. Go ask in game what I'm like, try EVE radio channel.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
Roisin Saoirse
Doomheim
#31 - 2012-06-03 17:07:22 UTC
Lucy Ferrr wrote:
I agree it's time for local to go. I shouldn't be forced into a worm hole to not get my hand-held. Local was never intended to be the ultimate source of intel, having it be so is lame. But I feel I am just beating a dead horse... We all know local needs to be changed, well all of us besides a few loud carebears/nul-bears.

The loudest whines would come from the Jita scammers tbh.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-06-03 17:08:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Abdiel Kavash
Woo a survey!

Having a spy in the target corp makes locating a war target trivial.
Dropping to a NPC corp makes avoiding a war target trivial.
A spy in your fleet prevents true stealth attacks.
A drag bubble with decloaking cans on the landing point prevents true stealth travel.
Nothing gives intelligence unearned and effort free at zero cost. The time spent gathering intelligence is a cost too. Or the cost of a +1 intelligence implant.
Hand-holding the player and arbitrarily restricting behavior, in particular behavior towards other players makes chaos theory and emergent gameplay an impossibility.
Flying solo makes scouting skills on your pvp character an exercise in futility.
Being bad at finding and chasing targets inevitably turns all sanctioned pvp into a campfest.
The inability to cause lasting damage to someone in highsec makes hiring a merc corp to war dec a grief corp a waste of effort and resources.
Nothing makes cloaking in general, useless.
People unwilling to share intel, take risks, or be prepared for the possibility of an incursion makes "afk" presence an option for asset denial.
Using scouts allows gate camping to be done in relative safety and without do risk of larger camps sneaking up on them.
Security status loss makes neutral alts mandatory when targeting a competent player for non-consensual pvp.
A PvP-free area doesn't make sense in a hardcore sandbox MMO and feels amateur in implementation.
The entire RMT market being removed would kill most botting operations in EVE with zero coding required.Good luck with that.
______ is a crutch used for the lazy to secure themselves from risk. Securing oneself from risk doesn't sound lazy to me. It sounds like a good strategy.
Asteroid belts on the overview allows suicide gankers to find miners without any real scanning work being done beforehand.
Restricting oneself to a small corner of the galaxy and refusing to travel and experience new areas makes the vastness of space feel absurdly small.
The very limited range of the BO jump drive, high skill requirements and a somewhat niche role makes black ops somewhat pointless. Although they have their uses in hands of a competent player.
Paying attention to your surroundings makes non-consensual pvp a myth. At best something only the dimmest endure.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#33 - 2012-06-03 17:14:25 UTC
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
______ makes locating a war target trivial.
______ makes avoiding a war target trivial.
______ prevents true stealth attacks.
______ prevents true stealth travel.
______ gives intelligence unearned and effort free at zero cost.
______ makes chaos theory and emergent gameplay an impossibility.
______ makes scouting skills on your pvp character an exercise in futility.
______ inevitably turns all sanctioned pvp into a campfest.
______ makes hiring a merc corp to war dec a grief corp a waste of effort and resources.
______ makes cloaking in general, useless.
______ makes "afk" presence an option for asset denial.
______ allows gate camping to be done in relative safety and without do risk of larger camps sneaking up on them.
______ makes neutral alts mandatory when targeting a competent player for non-consensual pvp.
______ doesn't make sense in a hardcore sandbox MMO and feels amateur in implementation.
______ being removed would kill most botting operations in EVE with zero coding required.
______ is a crutch used for the lazy to secure themselves from risk.
______ allows suicide gankers to find miners without any real scanning work being done beforehand.
______ makes the vastness of space feel absurdly small.
______ makes black ops somewhat pointless.
______ makes non-consensual pvp a myth. At best something only the dimmest endure.

There are no right or wrong answers here so its a very general discussion. If by chance one particular answer stands out, ignore your gut feeling. Its just wrong thinking, obviously.


If you are really interested in removing local there is a thread in F&I already going. You can find it here. Though I suspect that you already know it's there. Roll

"Grr Kimmi  Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide

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Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-06-03 17:14:32 UTC
I am going to suggest peenor. I like to put peenor into places.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#35 - 2012-06-03 17:16:03 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:


If you are really interested in removing local there is a thread in F&I already going. You can find it here. Though I suspect that you already know it's there. Roll


Burn.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-06-03 17:16:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Caliph Muhammed
@ Kimmi Chan Who mentioned local? Did the OP? Or is that your initial gut feeling to the questions posed? Remember its wrong thinking, obviously.

@ Amdiel Good post. Some intellectually nuanced answers but a good post none the less.

@ Cutter. Burn would suggest hostility. Do you want to talk about your feelings?
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2012-06-03 17:18:24 UTC
Ooh ooh I KNOW I KNOW I HAVE THE ANSWER!

Buttes and Dongues makes locating a war target trivial.
Buttes and Dongues makes avoiding a war target trivial.
Buttes and Dongues prevents true stealth attacks.
Buttes and Dongues prevents true stealth travel.
Buttes and Dongues gives intelligence unearned and effort free at zero cost.
Buttes and Dongues makes chaos theory and emergent gameplay an impossibility.
Buttes and Dongues makes scouting skills on your pvp character an exercise in futility.
Buttes and Dongues inevitably turns all sanctioned pvp into a campfest.
Buttes and Dongues makes hiring a merc corp to war dec a grief corp a waste of effort and resources.
Buttes and Dongues makes cloaking in general, useless.
Buttes and Dongues makes "afk" presence an option for asset denial.
Buttes and Dongues allows gate camping to be done in relative safety and without do risk of larger camps sneaking up on them.
Buttes and Dongues makes neutral alts mandatory when targeting a competent player for non-consensual pvp.
Buttes and Dongues doesn't make sense in a hardcore sandbox MMO and feels amateur in implementation.
Buttes and Dongues being removed would kill most botting operations in EVE with zero coding required.
Buttes and Dongues is a crutch used for the lazy to secure themselves from risk.
Buttes and Dongues allows suicide gankers to find miners without any real scanning work being done beforehand.
Buttes and Dongues makes the vastness of space feel absurdly small.
Buttes and Dongues makes black ops somewhat pointless.
Buttes and Dongues makes non-consensual pvp a myth. At best something only the dimmest endure.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#38 - 2012-06-03 17:19:35 UTC
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
@ Kimmi Chan Who mentioned local? Did the OP? Or is that your initial gut feeling to the questions posed? Remember its wrong thinking, obviously.

@ Amdiel Good post. Some intellectually nuanced answers but a good post none the less.



I'm gonna go with the fact that you have done nothing but whine all afternoon about your "local" threads etc etc.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
#39 - 2012-06-03 17:20:29 UTC
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
PMT?

See my bio.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#40 - 2012-06-03 17:21:25 UTC
Caliph Muhammed wrote:

Locator Agents______ makes locating a war target trivial.
Locator Agents______ makes avoiding a war target trivial.
Jump Gates and neut alts______ prevents true stealth attacks.
Jump Gates and neut alts______ prevents true stealth travel.
d-scan/probes/dotlan______ gives intelligence unearned and effort free at zero cost.
Nothing (goons prove this every day)______ makes chaos theory and emergent gameplay an impossibility.
Nothing______ makes scouting skills on your pvp character an exercise in futility.
(a person just can't suck at it)
War-Dec Mechanics______ inevitably turns all sanctioned pvp into a campfest.
Sucky Mercs and no way to enforce contracts on them______ makes hiring a merc corp to war dec a grief corp a waste of effort and resources.
Jump Gates______ makes cloaking in general, useless.
People's own risk aversion______ makes "afk" presence an option for asset denial.
Multiple Alt Characters______ allows gate camping to be done in relative safety and without do risk of larger camps sneaking up on them.
Situational Awareness______ makes neutral alts mandatory when targeting a competent player for non-consensual pvp.
Whining on the forums every other day______ doesn't make sense in a hardcore sandbox MMO and feels amateur in implementation.
PVE Content______ being removed would kill most botting operations in EVE with zero coding required.
Indestructible Stations ______ is a crutch used for the lazy to secure themselves from risk.
static asteroid belts______ allows suicide gankers to find miners without any real scanning work being done beforehand.
Jump Gates______ makes the vastness of space feel absurdly small.
Lack of skill______ makes black ops somewhat pointless.
Neutral Alts and static routes between systems______ makes non-consensual pvp a myth. At best something only the dimmest endure.

There are no right or wrong answers here so its a very general discussion. If by chance one particular answer stands out, ignore your gut feeling. Its just wrong thinking, obviously.

Seems to me like jump gates and neutral alts are the biggest offenders. Of course, if someone in particular were complaining about all these things, it might just be because they suck at it... But it's probably neut alts, jump gates and static routes through space.

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.