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Stop whining all you carebears!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Deopheel Dalonne
Eridu Productions
#21 - 2011-10-05 16:34:33 UTC
Satav wrote:
Deopheel Dalonne wrote:
Suicide ganking is a completely stupid, immersion breaking, exploit.

Ever heard of such a thing in any Sci-Fi book or movie ? This is a SCI-FI game, right ?


"Immersion breaking".........? So you're saying that this isn't realistic or believable? Tell me how , exactly , is this not like any typical human behavor?
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It feels like something you would do in a game, but not in real life.

Difficult to say why, but that is the way it feels to me.

One thing to consider, for example, is the human crews on the ships. Aren't we supposed to have human crews with at least hundreds of people on board each ship besides the capsuleer pilot ? How would you convince your crew to suicide gank exactly ?
Duncan Kennedy
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#22 - 2011-10-05 16:38:14 UTC
Deopheel Dalonne wrote:
Satav wrote:
Deopheel Dalonne wrote:
Suicide ganking is a completely stupid, immersion breaking, exploit.

Ever heard of such a thing in any Sci-Fi book or movie ? This is a SCI-FI game, right ?


"Immersion breaking".........? So you're saying that this isn't realistic or believable? Tell me how , exactly , is this not like any typical human behavor?
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It feels like something you would do in a game, but not in real life.

Difficult to say why, but that is the way it feels to me.

One thing to consider, for example, is the human crews on the ships. Aren't we supposed to have human crews with at least hundreds of people on board each ship besides the capsuleer pilot ? How would you convince your crew to suicide gank exactly ?


Yes, no one ever commits suicide to destroy a hostile target in real life. Roll
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#23 - 2011-10-05 16:38:22 UTC
Deopheel Dalonne wrote:

How would you convince your crew to suicide gank exactly ?


I gather you have never been in the military.
It is a lot easier then you would think.

EVERYBODY KNOWS
Jokerface666
Intergalactic Expeditionary Corp
#24 - 2011-10-05 16:38:38 UTC
they have no choice the're gunfood...

not in reallife.... so it never happend that someone killed himselfe for the profit of his friends / family / state / religion?

oh wait, they're not killing themselfe... so it never happend that someone burned his house or cut of his finger or crashed his car to get the insurance payout? ^^
Baaldor
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#25 - 2011-10-05 16:40:39 UTC
Deopheel Dalonne wrote:
Suicide ganking is a completely stupid, immersion breaking, exploit.

Ever heard of such a thing in any Sci-Fi book or movie ? This is a SCI-FI game, right ?


No, you are stupid, immersion breaking and an exploit.
Satav
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2011-10-05 16:42:12 UTC
Deopheel Dalonne wrote:
Satav wrote:
Deopheel Dalonne wrote:
Suicide ganking is a completely stupid, immersion breaking, exploit.

Ever heard of such a thing in any Sci-Fi book or movie ? This is a SCI-FI game, right ?


"Immersion breaking".........? So you're saying that this isn't realistic or believable? Tell me how , exactly , is this not like any typical human behavor?
______________________________________________________________________________


It feels like something you would do in a game, but not in real life.

Difficult to say why, but that is the way it feels to me.

One thing to consider, for example, is the human crews on the ships. Aren't we supposed to have human crews with at least hundreds of people on board each ship besides the capsuleer pilot ? How would you convince your crew to suicide gank exactly ?


Hmm the Japanese Kamakizes come to mind but to humor your "crew" point.

How about the Ottomans who lit their ships on fire and rammed into the enemies?

Or the Dutch mercenaries that ran into enemy lines and blew themselves up with gunpowder and kill the enemy as well as themselves?

Idealism will drive many to do things unimaginable. Even "groups" of people. GSF for example Big smile
Deopheel Dalonne
Eridu Productions
#27 - 2011-10-05 16:47:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Deopheel Dalonne
Simetraz wrote:
Deopheel Dalonne wrote:

How would you convince your crew to suicide gank exactly ?


I gather you have never been in the military.
It is a lot easier then you would think.

Soldiers always have a certain probability to survive, even when small.

Of course, you have Kamikaze and Jihadists and the Hashishin but they are rather rare exceptions.

Moreover, this kind of attitude is completely at odds with the ethos of at least 2 races in EvE. Can you imagine a Gallente or a Caldari Kamikaze ? It does not make much sense.
Jokerface666
Intergalactic Expeditionary Corp
#28 - 2011-10-05 16:48:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Jokerface666
It's really funny to see thoose two groups of people in eve....

group 1: will survive a zombie outbreak, couse they will get a punpgun and have some fun (Satav and such for example)
group 2: will turn into zombies within 24 hrs, couse everything is fine and we all love each other (Duncan Kennedy and such)

just awesome.

EDIT FOR DUNCAN:
so it never happend that someone burned his house or cut of his finger or crashed his car to get the insurance payout? ^^
becouse they do not die, they end up in the're pods.
Gealbhan
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#29 - 2011-10-05 16:48:31 UTC
Mining is not without its risks. Everything in =v= involves some sort of risk, that's what makes it fun to play.
If it was otherwise it would be boring to the extreme.

[Undock >>>] = Consensual PvP, deal with it.
Deopheel Dalonne
Eridu Productions
#30 - 2011-10-05 16:49:58 UTC
Jokerface666 wrote:
they have no choice the're gunfood...

not in reallife.... so it never happend that someone killed himselfe for the profit of his friends / family / state / religion?

oh wait, they're not killing themselfe... so it never happend that someone burned his house or cut of his finger or crashed his car to get the insurance payout? ^^

I am not talking about the capsuleer pilot dumbass. I am talking about the non-capsuleer crews we are supposed to have with us in our ships.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#31 - 2011-10-05 16:50:50 UTC
It's not suicide if you can't actually die.

It's just a quick trip home after throwing away a ship you will be reimbursed for.

Win/win for the ganker.

Lose insurance = better game balance.

Mr Epeen Cool
Jokerface666
Intergalactic Expeditionary Corp
#32 - 2011-10-05 16:51:22 UTC
Deopheel Dalonne wrote:
Jokerface666 wrote:
they have no choice the're gunfood...

not in reallife.... so it never happend that someone killed himselfe for the profit of his friends / family / state / religion?

oh wait, they're not killing themselfe... so it never happend that someone burned his house or cut of his finger or crashed his car to get the insurance payout? ^^

I am not talking about the capsuleer pilot dumbass. I am talking about the non-capsuleer crews we are supposed to have with us in our ships.


you really need reading and brain to level 5 dude..... "they have no choice the're gunfood..."
Fillingkillboards
State War Academy
Caldari State
#33 - 2011-10-05 16:53:17 UTC
Deopheel Dalonne wrote:
Simetraz wrote:
Deopheel Dalonne wrote:

How would you convince your crew to suicide gank exactly ?


I gather you have never been in the military.
It is a lot easier then you would think.

Soldiers always have a certain probability to survive, even when small.

Of course, you have Kamikaze and Jihadists and the Hashishin but they are rather rare exceptions.

Moreover, this kind of attitude is completely at odds with the ethos of at least 2 races in EvE. Can you imagine a Gallente or a Caldari Kamikaze ? It does not make much sense.



It's settled then. Only Amarr and Minmatar Characters can suicide gank!
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#34 - 2011-10-05 16:55:01 UTC
"I heartily endorse this Game" and activity.

This is exactly the kind of circumstance that makes this game so much less boring. Ice Mining in particular is so mind numbingly boring, having to be on one's toes is the only thing making it tolerable.

Besides, the Goons said exactly what they are targeting. We WERE warned.

If you are warned and go out there for Blue Ice.................that is your own fault, not the Goons. You were told fair and square.

If you can't stay aligned, watch Local, and just be AWARE.....why on Earth are you playing this ? My God.

It's really not that big of a deal.

I'm just glad someone, even the Goons, did.....SOMEthing.......to shake things up. That's probably MORE important than their actual goal here.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Ryunosuke Kusanagi
#35 - 2011-10-05 17:01:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Ryunosuke Kusanagi
Deopheel Dalonne wrote:
Satav wrote:
Deopheel Dalonne wrote:
Suicide ganking is a completely stupid, immersion breaking, exploit.

Ever heard of such a thing in any Sci-Fi book or movie ? This is a SCI-FI game, right ?


"Immersion breaking".........? So you're saying that this isn't realistic or believable? Tell me how , exactly , is this not like any typical human behavor?
______________________________________________________________________________


It feels like something you would do in a game, but not in real life.

Difficult to say why, but that is the way it feels to me.

One thing to consider, for example, is the human crews on the ships. Aren't we supposed to have human crews with at least hundreds of people on board each ship besides the capsuleer pilot ? How would you convince your crew to suicide gank exactly ?



WAIT WAIT WAIT

so umm that nut in Norway, or 9-11 does NOT count as suicide ganking? I'm confused here....


Also, back in game, there is THIS INCIDENT: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Malkalen_catastrophe
tl:dr version: Captain of a NYX Supercarrier crashes into a station.
Satav
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2011-10-05 17:04:30 UTC
Deopheel Dalonne wrote:
Simetraz wrote:
Deopheel Dalonne wrote:

How would you convince your crew to suicide gank exactly ?


I gather you have never been in the military.
It is a lot easier then you would think.

Soldiers always have a certain probability to survive, even when small.

Of course, you have Kamikaze and Jihadists and the Hashishin but they are rather rare exceptions.

Moreover, this kind of attitude is completely at odds with the ethos of at least 2 races in EvE. Can you imagine a Gallente or a Caldari Kamikaze ? It does not make much sense.


????????????!!!!!

First, this isn't role playing although there are many such people in eve. Players cross train races all the time so you're stay true to your race argument is a little off.

Second, if we were to stay true to our race..........."can you imagine a Caldari Kamikaze?"

are you serious............. dude..... you need to read up on this game a little more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9aEqJYF3eA&feature=related

Third, suiciding isn't always just the extreme religious fanatic. It is also sometimes the cool , controlled , general who know that he greater serves his country by this act.
Deopheel Dalonne
Eridu Productions
#37 - 2011-10-05 17:31:23 UTC
Ryunosuke Kusanagi wrote:
Deopheel Dalonne wrote:
Satav wrote:
Deopheel Dalonne wrote:
Suicide ganking is a completely stupid, immersion breaking, exploit.

Ever heard of such a thing in any Sci-Fi book or movie ? This is a SCI-FI game, right ?


"Immersion breaking".........? So you're saying that this isn't realistic or believable? Tell me how , exactly , is this not like any typical human behavor?
______________________________________________________________________________


It feels like something you would do in a game, but not in real life.

Difficult to say why, but that is the way it feels to me.

One thing to consider, for example, is the human crews on the ships. Aren't we supposed to have human crews with at least hundreds of people on board each ship besides the capsuleer pilot ? How would you convince your crew to suicide gank exactly ?

WAIT WAIT WAIT

so umm that nut in Norway, or 9-11 does NOT count as suicide ganking? I'm confused here....

Yeah, one guy! And everybody thinks he is nuts ...

Here you are talking about asking the several hundreds of dudes who serve under you as your (non capsuleer) crew to commit real suicide (permadeath) while their boss quietly wakes up in his clone in a station far away. And you are asking this not once but 10 times, 20 times, 100 times ... How are you going to find volunteers after the first attempt ? Do you plan on creating a suicidal cult just to supply enough suckers ?

All this is really stretching credibility very thin ....
Satav
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2011-10-05 17:34:33 UTC
Deopheel Dalonne wrote:
Ryunosuke Kusanagi wrote:
Deopheel Dalonne wrote:
Satav wrote:
Deopheel Dalonne wrote:
Suicide ganking is a completely stupid, immersion breaking, exploit.

Ever heard of such a thing in any Sci-Fi book or movie ? This is a SCI-FI game, right ?


"Immersion breaking".........? So you're saying that this isn't realistic or believable? Tell me how , exactly , is this not like any typical human behavor?
______________________________________________________________________________


It feels like something you would do in a game, but not in real life.

Difficult to say why, but that is the way it feels to me.

One thing to consider, for example, is the human crews on the ships. Aren't we supposed to have human crews with at least hundreds of people on board each ship besides the capsuleer pilot ? How would you convince your crew to suicide gank exactly ?

WAIT WAIT WAIT

so umm that nut in Norway, or 9-11 does NOT count as suicide ganking? I'm confused here....

Yeah, one guy! And everybody thinks he is nuts ...

Here you are talking about asking the several hundreds of dudes who serve under you as your (non capsuleer) crew to commit real suicide (permadeath) while their boss quietly wakes up in his clone in a station far away. And you are asking this not once but 10 times, 20 times, 100 times ... How are you going to find volunteers after the first attempt ? Do you plan on creating a suicidal cult just to supply enough suckers ?

All this is really stretching credibility very thin ....


Clearly youre naive about history and the military and human nature in general dude. I suggest you read up.
Deopheel Dalonne
Eridu Productions
#39 - 2011-10-05 17:38:01 UTC
Thank God you are only a kid behind a computer playing a stupid game Satav ...
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2011-10-05 18:40:24 UTC
the irony of the thing is there are more of these dumb threads than there are whine threads. I get tried of both .. or either..

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