EVE General Discussion

CCP, people are getting tired of the null sov system. Even people in it. Yes its nice to be a group of people fighting to get your own space. But at one point it gets boring. Fighting for moons, anything else really?
If a group of individual, let's say 6 of them, why cant they own there own system, why as it come the need to be 5000. It's nice to lots but that's not community.
I suggest you change it so those 6 guys can actually own something and work to keep it.

Anyhow, I don't think it ll change anytime soon, but lot's of people are getting bored.

Why should 6 people be able to hold sov from 5000?

Not sov from 5000 peeps, 1 system, 2 or 3 and then other small groups have theirs.

Let me tell you why. Because there are tight-knit communities of thousands (yes, they are very, very real communities) which want that space.

Six people can try to hold it sure, but just like real life, you're going to need a whole freaking lot more than a few buddies and some handguns to take over a city or small country that has its own identity and organized military.

Justify why we should screw over 5000 for the sake of 6.

"Quantity has a quality of it's own"

Having discussed this recently on Jita Park speakers corner some interesting ideas have come up.

From using POCO's for Sov, the Alliance with the most in system has Sov to Idea's on having capital systems with bonuses for the defender as well as a penalty for holding systems increasing the further you are from your capital . Also this idea from Lord Zim
"Single module:
I'm thinking this could be descriptive rather than prescriptive. If you can defend a space through military might, you can own it. If you can't, then this module won't stay there very long anyways. Not that I really see a reason to fret if it is removed since, again, I think it should be more descriptive than prescriptive.

Multiple planet-anchorable modules:
This would have the added benefit of enabling SOV warfare to regain its old tug of war mechanic, where you fight over a system for a period of time and both sides can win some and lose some, as opposed to today's system where you either win all fights over a properly upgraded system, or the defender wins ONE fight and all the progress the attacker made is reset."

The main point that seems to come up alot is that Null needs more industry centers and that the Risk Vs Reward for individual players is broken.

6 Guys could hold sov with alot of the ideas posted, until someone else noticed and wanted the space. That is if they could take it in the first place.

I agree there needs to be ways for smaller alliances to enter Sov space but the only real way they should be able to start is on some crappy piece of sov no one else wants.

That is entirely up to the sov-holding alliance.

Plenty rent out space, quite similar to taxation or renting land. I personally am not a fan of renting or renters, but it exists. Generally renters own the space they hold (it is exclusively theirs for ratting, mining, etc), but they should never expect to be protected.

The beauty of EVE is that plenty of systems exist, and the weak ones tend to get annihilated when they are slow to respond to threats, or plain incapable. Things like council government have been proven to be ineffective. Add more unnecessary bureaucracy, and you slow down your alliance's reaction time. Things like extremely in depth personal ownership and taxation systems tend to bloat bureaucracies.

If you can make enough profit to be attractive to a large alliance, they would likely give you a system. I know TEST has taken in corps simply from seeing what they did to a random system somewhere else and wanting to strike up an agreement. One of our corps has a habit of developing solar systems to a ludicrous extent.

Well damn I want to own the entire map and I should be able to by that logic

What ll happen when 1 alliance will rule them all. I personally think the mechanics should change so small groups could own there sov and there would be many of them and small gang warfare would be back in low sec. Most of the time is the alliance that brings more people to the fight win. I don't think this is fun all the time. It gets boring after a while. I think lets say goons was a alliance but wouldn't own there sov it would change everything, small gang war would be the way to go and more fun would be there to have.
hey don't shoot me it's just my opinion, not that i'm gonna change something anyway.