Warfare & Tactics

Regardless, you know what you have to deal with, so modify your approach. If this means you can't be flashy red, so be with it. Logi will give you aggro when they rep a war target, so neutral logi is the ONLY issue and I can't see you killing them is making THAT big a difference if you are also killing the odd rat.



Then your corp must adapt to the new way of doing FW. You know the Eve mantra - Adapt or die.

All I am seeing is arguments about station lockout from you guys which no one else is supporting. CCP won't change it back for 2 people. Put the effort into fighting the minnies that you are putting into forum warrioring and win back auga. When you have it to fly from, I'll bet you don't mind the minnies being locked out of the stations quite so much...

I think they would be running plexes other places if they didn't have the lockout rule. Its just that now all the fighting is concentrated in a few systems.

There is not much "urgency" like there was before the flip times were extended. Now the systems won't flip unless there is 40 hours of uncontested plexing by the enemy. Now people will go out and cap a plex or two when they have the extra time to burn but its not like everyone is waiting for each new plex to spawn with bated breath.


I do agree that the plexes they are capping tend to be in and areound kamela and sahtogas as opposed to else where. I don't think this is good to have all the fighting so concentrated - unless you happen to have the larger blob at the time.

You have no clue whats going on. There was a build up in action leading to larger and larger fights before Lamaa was finally recaptured by the Amarr. Your comment just proves that you are no longer an active member of FW.

Ah yes another minmatar cheerleader who refuses to actually address the points raised and so turns to name calling. Who is the impotent one?

Just claiming station lock out caused an increase to small gang pvp is a "fact" does not make it so.

I have no doubt that faction war with its new stepping stone to null sec mechanics - like station lock outs - will draw many current eve players. It will just fill it with null sec wannabes though.

However eve as a whole will not grow. Blobs Camping kamela gate may get allot of kills but its not really going to make for great small gang pvp that will attract allot of new players to eve. It certainly won't be that small gang pvp expansion many of us were hoping for.

The "urgency" came when Lamaa started to fall a few days ago. Both sides started to push harder and harder. Ultimatly the Amarr won the battle of Lamaa. I certainly felt the urgency, and so did the many Amarr who now have their first victory under the new patch. But you wouldn’t know that because you are not even active on the front lines.

Correct me if I’m wrong but according to eve-kill you hadn’t had a fight in Lamaa since May 18th. And you only had a few fights since the new patch and they are in the Dal/Siseide area. It’s hard to feel “urgency” when you’re not logging on, or going to where the front lines are.

Yes, the urgency you felt leading up to the patch may be difficult to repeat but at least with the new patch we will see countless "building up of tension" before a system hits critical. And that is something you could not say about FW before.

I played the night before last. Was lamma and TZVI did some plexing no wartargets no pvp just shooting rats. So I took a break and later went up to sisiede and did some plexing. Plexing with just rats.

Asked Jones what was happening down by kamela and he said there were just minnie blobs camping gates. So I stayed up in sisiede and dal. I did get a good fight in dal. But overall for the time I spent that night I can't say this expansion is all so wonderful.

The station lockouts is too confining for a small gang of a five or so players to have much fun. Either join a fleet with 30+ members of gtfo.

BTW that one night was typical of other nights.



I'm not saying there is anything wrong with this and some people like this. I'm just saying that I was hoping for more spread out fighting where you didn't have to be in one or 2 systems with a big enough fleet or your would have a boring night.

There is a place for the risk averse, and it is in High Sec.

Stop waving 'sec status' around like its some incurable ailment; you know what you got into by shooting neuts and taking a sec hit; now pull your skirt down, embrace your decision and deal with it. Stations being inaccessible if for no other reason, actually encourages you chest beating try-hards to get out of the damn station, and go defend your home; you know- that PvP thing we all pushed a butan to participate in.

If blowing things up, and damn near losing ships in the process isn't exciting to you anymore, you're in the wrong place.

You are ignoring basic guerrilla tactics, expecting to have lazy PVP just because you are in FW. I was against the changes prior because the station lock outs are a pretty big inconvenience.

The extended plexing times have actually caused more fights than prior. With the quick flip system that was in place before hand there was simply Ninja system captures by either forcing other side out with Blob or stealing the system in the middle of the night. Either tactic lead to very few fights.

Now with more drug out system flips there tends to be lots of smaller skirmishes over the course of the attempts at capture. Caldari plexers worked on Aivonen every since the patch and there were likely 100 or more solo, small gang and gank gang fights over the course of it's eventual capture. Seems Gals didn't show up to the bunker but still over the course of the system flip there were hundreds of ships blown up.

Tama on other hand went much quieter same with Hal far as far as I know.. Right now Caldari has 3 more Gal systems sitting at the 90% +/- mark and each of those systems are right in middle of the front lines and have all provided many fights for the various plexers. There are many Caldari systems that are also contested in what one could call the front lines and they have also led to many fights & ship kills.

Most of the farmers hit the out of the way systems to get least resistance and there are very few of those systems that are close to flipping. This IMO means the current system works ok, if you actually fight over the systems instead of having excuses.

You Amarr can easily pick the areas you want to fight by plexing away from the blobby areas and that will eventually drag some of Minmatars numbers away from their blobs to try and stop you.

So many tear babies, so few X's for my fleets.

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