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Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Operations
#61 - 2012-06-02 12:12:26 UTC
Makkal Hanaya wrote:
Musashi IV wrote:


Pirates that want my stuff can meet me in Jita at 1930 hours on Saturday.


That's unfortunate.

However, don't be so quick to get rid of your stuff. Take a month off. A break can put things into perspective. You may find your enthusiasm for the game returns.


I have heard there is nothing worse than coming back to no assets.

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Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#62 - 2012-06-02 12:12:40 UTC
Caldari Citizen20110707 wrote:
if ccp is smart they should have a customer portfolio with the make up, amount and general player profiles. it should tell them that the long term players (the ones that drives the sandbox (o.o dwellers)) are 0.0 players and that high sec character amounts are mosty alts of 0.0 players.... in short: high sec players pnly play a fraction of the time 0.0 players are playing.... 0.0 players make this game... why should ccp continue to listen to these players that quit anyway in a few months? expecialy afyrr the big player decrease when there was a cataclism of canceled subscriptiond due this 5months ago?

quit whining, go do social like eve is desighned and join a 0.0 mining corp or whine that ccp isnt promoting eve more as a social game where it actualy is a social unwritten rule that players should join a player driven corp...


just a quick brainfart



Wrong, your guessing then drawing your own conclusions.

I wish CCP would actually post the facts and numbers, that would shut up allot of these arguments, who ever wins, but they won't

Tal


King Aires
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#63 - 2012-06-02 12:29:05 UTC
Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor wrote:
Mara Rinn wrote:

There are an awful lot more people messing about in low sec and wormholes than null sec.




Low sec and WH combined make up only 13% of the pop. Null is 20%.

http://scaurus.com/lowsec-by-the-numbers/

No thanks for your random Fantasy Facts.



Even given your own numbers there, and assuming each 0.0 account had a corresponding high sec account, that means all 0.0 + their alts only egual 40% of the game.

The rest of us 60% would like you guys to stop shoving policy down ccp's throat simply because your the most vocal on the forums.
Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Operations
#64 - 2012-06-02 12:33:01 UTC
King Aires wrote:



Even given your own numbers there, and assuming each 0.0 account had a corresponding high sec account, that means all 0.0 + their alts only egual 40% of the game.

The rest of us 60% would like you guys to stop shoving policy down ccp's throat simply because your the most vocal on the forums.



And now equally theoretical numbers fantasized out of a hat. Congra-bu-lations.

And CCP put themselves in the position to have the mittani 'dictate' (boy is that apt) Policy.

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King Aires
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#65 - 2012-06-02 12:38:24 UTC
Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor wrote:
King Aires wrote:



Even given your own numbers there, and assuming each 0.0 account had a corresponding high sec account, that means all 0.0 + their alts only egual 40% of the game.

The rest of us 60% would like you guys to stop shoving policy down ccp's throat simply because your the most vocal on the forums.



And now equally theoretical numbers fantasized out of a hat. Congra-bu-lations.

And CCP put themselves in the position to have the mittani 'dictate' (boy is that apt) Policy.


I fantasized nothing, YOU are the one who said there are 20% of accounts in 0.0 and YOU are the one who said every account in 0.0 has a high sec alt. I was using YOUR numbers to come up with 40% of players are from people who play in 0.0

And that, is being quite generous to YOUR fantasy.
Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Operations
#66 - 2012-06-02 12:42:08 UTC
King Aires wrote:

I fantasized nothing, YOU are the one who said there are 20% of accounts in 0.0 and YOU are the one who said every account in 0.0 has a high sec alt. I was using YOUR numbers to come up with 40% of players are from people who play in 0.0

And that, is being quite generous to YOUR fantasy.



WOW. Just wow. Those are not 'my' numbers. I did not write that article. I did not pull the data.

Any fool can see that.

You are just full of crap this morning.

GTFO of the Forums please before the really mean poasters arrive and really get you going and you make more of a silly-person out of yourself.

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King Aires
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#67 - 2012-06-02 12:45:36 UTC
Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor wrote:
King Aires wrote:

I fantasized nothing, YOU are the one who said there are 20% of accounts in 0.0 and YOU are the one who said every account in 0.0 has a high sec alt. I was using YOUR numbers to come up with 40% of players are from people who play in 0.0

And that, is being quite generous to YOUR fantasy.



WOW. Just wow. Those are not 'my' numbers. I did not write that article. I did not pull the data.

Any fool can see that.

You are just full of crap this morning.

GTFO of the Forums please before the really mean poasters arrive and really get you going and you make more of a silly-person out of yourself.



They are your numbers because you came onto these forums like a self proclaimed prophet using them to discredit someone and spewing them from your keyboard like you doublechecked them yourself in your MIT lab.

Next time stfu or own up to the filth you spewed on these forums.
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#68 - 2012-06-02 12:50:37 UTC
it all doesn't matter, the tail is wagging the dog at the moment, but that never lasts, trends change, empires fall, the dog eventualy wags it's tail.
Heinrich Rotwang
Spectre Fleet Corporation
#69 - 2012-06-02 13:08:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Heinrich Rotwang
Musashi IV wrote:
Yes I know this is a sandbox but if someone is circumventing the game mechanics, its an exploit.


One day, CCP feels like it's an exploit and the other day they think it's fscking brilliant. You never know. Eve is not about playing within the bounds of the sandbox anymore. Eve is all about setting the bounds.
Ten Bulls
Sons of Olsagard
#70 - 2012-06-02 13:15:51 UTC
gfldex wrote:

If you have 100B in the bank you don't mine. (Unless you are a botter ofc.)


Unless you enjoy mining ofc.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#71 - 2012-06-02 13:24:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Asuri Kinnes
Mara Rinn wrote:
There are an awful lot more people messing about in low sec and wormholes than null sec.
EVE is not designed around players joining null sec mining corporations.

Dr. E's presentation at Fanfest 2012 at the 4:20 mark -

% of all toons:
71.5 - Hi-sec
08.2 - Low-sec
05.4 - Worm Hole Space
15.0 - Null Sec

% of toons with >5m Skillpoints only:
65.3% - Hi-Sec
07.6% - Low-Sec
06.4% - Worm Hole Space
20.7% - Null Sec


So. Of all toons (including n00bs)
13.6% in Low-Sec or WH space
15.0% in Null

Of all toons > 5m SP:
14.0% in Low or WH space
20.7% in Null Sec


No matter how you slice it, there are *not* " an awful lot more people messing about in low sec and wormholes than null sec." Just had to point that out...
King Aires wrote:


They are your numbers because you came onto these forums like a self proclaimed prophet using them to discredit someone and spewing them from your keyboard like you doublechecked them yourself in your MIT lab.

Next time stfu or own up to the filth you spewed on these forums.

Ummm, no, they're CCP's numbers... Hope that is good enough for you...

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#72 - 2012-06-02 13:26:33 UTC
King Aires wrote:
Even given your own numbers there, and assuming each 0.0 account had a corresponding high sec account, that means all 0.0 + their alts only egual 40% of the game.

The rest of us 60% would like you guys to stop shoving policy down ccp's throat simply because your the most vocal on the forums.

Don't lump (EVER) WH and Low sec in with the hi-sec'ers... Unless of course, you want to encourage *MORE* ganking...

Pirate

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#73 - 2012-06-02 13:29:14 UTC
Musashi IV wrote:
Yesterday one of my hulks got killed by 7 ships in in hi sec. All of these players had a security rating of -8 or worse. Im very cautious when I mine but you cant hide a Hulk very easily. Normally the high-sec game mechanics work pretty good. CCP has allowed Goonswarm to circumvent these game mechanics. Yes I know this is a sandbox but if someone is circumventing the game mechanics, its an exploit. Im not going to plead proverty. I have enouph ISK to play my three accounts for several more years. Why should I if game mechanics allow 7 players with a security rating less than -8 to play in high-sec with emmunity. When CCP has returned hi-sec to more reasonable game play I will return.

I think all high-sec players should think about taking a vacation from EVE. The only thing CCP cares about is monitary loss. This is the only way high-sec players can get thier attention.

Pirates that want my stuff can meet me in Jita at 1930 hours on Saturday.


What exploits have they performed? Have their ships not died to CONCORD or something? Suicide Ganking is legitimate gameplay.

Here are some options you might try during this trying time.

1. Continue Mining like normal and Accept the losses
2. Continue Mining as normal but in a Covetor and Accept the losses
3. Mine in a Rokh, comfortably immune* to Suicide Ganks
4. Tank your Hulk and Accept a lower number of Losses from edge case profit based ganks.
5. Tank your Hulk with RR and be comfortable immune to Suicide Ganks
6. Mine in a Normally Fit Hulk but use a short range D-Scan to escape ganks
7. Set up safespots such that you can maintain a rough orbit in range of a roid by aligning to each BM in turn
8. Set up Hulks to Web each other, mine aligned to 1 SS at 7m/s (warpable speed) (can be done @ max yield)
9. Watch local for known gankers, accept the occasional gank from unknown ganks
10. Mine in Mission pockets
11. Mine in Grav Sites, occasionally scanning D-Scan
12. Tank your Hulk and have friends in BLAP AC Nados ready to shoot (one should kill a Cat before you die, failing the gank)
13. Tank your Hulk and have friends with ECM
14. Tank your Hulk and run 5x Med ECM drones and accept that you'll die if they fail
15. Mine in Lowsec (can be done solo in a quiet system)
16. Mine in Null (can be done solo in a quiet NPC sov system)
17. Mine in WH space

*all cases of immunity from Suicide Ganks assume profit-based ganks. Non-Profit based ganks are rare and are not something that can be negated by game mechanics changes besides eliminating ganks, thus can be ignored.

All of these options have advantages and disadvantages. All of them will work. Not all of them are perfect.

If ALL of these options do not work for you, please describe your very special situation.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#74 - 2012-06-02 13:32:41 UTC
NickyYo wrote:
Ludi Burek wrote:
Ah, yet another pretend quitter... or troll ofc.


I think the EvE online statistic graph speaks for its self.
You sir are just in denial.


Are you talking about the graph that shows average online players rising constantly since Incarna?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Operations
#75 - 2012-06-02 13:38:29 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
NickyYo wrote:
Ludi Burek wrote:
Ah, yet another pretend quitter... or troll ofc.


I think the EvE online statistic graph speaks for its self.
You sir are just in denial.


Are you talking about the graph that shows average online players rising constantly since Incarna?



There is actually quite a downturn since 4/25. Obvious is Obvious. http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility

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King Aires
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#76 - 2012-06-02 13:41:54 UTC
Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
NickyYo wrote:
Ludi Burek wrote:
Ah, yet another pretend quitter... or troll ofc.


I think the EvE online statistic graph speaks for its self.
You sir are just in denial.


Are you talking about the graph that shows average online players rising constantly since Incarna?



There is actually quite a downturn since 4/25. Obvious is Obvious. http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility



This is very true. The average player per day has dropped from 33k in march to just over 23k last week.

Thats a huge drop and something CCP needs to be paying attention to.
Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Operations
#77 - 2012-06-02 13:44:33 UTC
King Aires wrote:
Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
NickyYo wrote:
Ludi Burek wrote:
Ah, yet another pretend quitter... or troll ofc.


I think the EvE online statistic graph speaks for its self.
You sir are just in denial.


Are you talking about the graph that shows average online players rising constantly since Incarna?



There is actually quite a downturn since 4/25. Obvious is Obvious. http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility



This is very true. The average player per day has dropped from 33k in march to just over 23k last week.

Thats a huge drop and something CCP needs to be paying attention to.



yesterday (a Friday) was the LOWEST Friday server population since I started playing in Jan 2010.

Numbers are about at pre-Dominion.

It's sad.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#78 - 2012-06-02 13:47:42 UTC
Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor wrote:
King Aires wrote:
Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
NickyYo wrote:


I think the EvE online statistic graph speaks for its self.
You sir are just in denial.


Are you talking about the graph that shows average online players rising constantly since Incarna?



There is actually quite a downturn since 4/25. Obvious is Obvious. http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility



This is very true. The average player per day has dropped from 33k in march to just over 23k last week.

Thats a huge drop and something CCP needs to be paying attention to.



yesterday (a Friday) was the LOWEST Friday server population since I started playing in Jan 2010.

Numbers are about at pre-Dominion.

It's sad.


Look at every summer before this one. EvE has an easily noticeable summer slump. An April-May bubble followed by a June-August trough.

We're finally hitting that trough.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#79 - 2012-06-02 13:51:30 UTC
To be honest the graphs wont prove anything, it will need few months to see a trend, we are too close to the events now to pull anything meaningful from the data. Only CCP know what the truth is.

Tal
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#80 - 2012-06-02 13:54:26 UTC
King Aires wrote:
Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
NickyYo wrote:
Ludi Burek wrote:
Ah, yet another pretend quitter... or troll ofc.


I think the EvE online statistic graph speaks for its self.
You sir are just in denial.


Are you talking about the graph that shows average online players rising constantly since Incarna?



There is actually quite a downturn since 4/25. Obvious is Obvious. http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility



This is very true. The average player per day has dropped from 33k in march to just over 23k last week.

Thats a huge drop and something CCP needs to be paying attention to.


Where exactly did you get 23k from? Because looking at the graphs I see an average of 38k every single weekend. The only time it drops down to 23k is around 4am GMT during the week, which is hardly a surprise. As for the drop of around 5k players in the last month or so, that is something that happens about the same time every year.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.