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Fyi, regarding:


Today I was moving 500+ different items from one container to the main hanger item. My client froze.
This is something that would normally not happen.

Same stuff happens when doing trade from a full item cargo container to another player.

CPU starts to raise, fans start to spin heavy, items move with 1 item per 20seconds orso.

sigh...

Still not getting true functionality back like we USED TO HAVE...

CCP Rubberband,

Justifying the absence of right-click functionality as a "design choice" is incomprehensible without some kind of qualifying statement. Is there a practical reason why right-click functionality was removed? We're not all unreasonable. If there's a real problem I'm sure many players would just like to know what it is/was. But to simply state that it was a "design choice" to decrease efficiency is irresponsible. You're stating you broke it on purpose? Why? How a system looks is far less important than how it functions. My car needs a paint job but it gets me to work faithfully. According to this logic, should I remove the tires and paint it?

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So, after the 1.0.6 patch, I see a few notable improvements and things still in need of improvement.

A couple things I noticed:

In station:

Halleliuah. I'm almost tree-less. The station hangar, ship hangar and ship cargo windows all are opened when I dock/undock. Great. It still seems silly that I can't open these parts of the station from buttons on the neocom yet, and if I close them, I still have no choice but to navigate the tree... (Usually I wouldn't have kept them all permanently open.) But, at least, if I open them once and don't close them ever, they'll be pre-opened when I dock so that's definately a step in the right direction because it translates to less tree-navigation.

I also am thankful that the tree stays minimized between sessions.

When I select a new ship, the ship cargo window shouldn't still display the cargo of the previous ship. And though double-clicking on the new active ship does open that ship's cargo bay in a new window, because it doesn't replace the previously-active ship's cargo window, closing the former and resizing and dragging the new one is necessary.

Also, let's get that filter section to stay minimized. Though my window positions are now persistent between sessions, I still have to minimize the filter section every time I am forced to tree-navigate. For people who resize their ship cargo window into a corner of the screen, the filter section takes up half the display. It doesn't even minimize with one click. It always takes like 2 or 3 clicks to get the thing to go away and I'm still doing this frequently.

In space:

Will wrecks and cans ever open in new windows? I've tried shift clicking, double clicking, shortcut clicking - and they still replace my noctis cargobay. This means tree-navigation or lots of extra clicking. I've been tree-navigating here and it still seems so alien compared to the previous way we did things. It just makes sense to have two containers here. You open one and drag the items into the other. When I take a cookie out of a cookie jar there are two containers - the jar and my hand. Also, because the wrecks and the noctis share the same cargo window, the UI resorts the items so that players cannot only select and drag items they added last. Previously when I salvaged, I'd reposition valuable salvage to the first row so I could monitor the number of these items I've successfully obtained. No longer possible. I don't want a filter. I want to see all my salvage but arranged how I want it arranged. I do enjoy being able to "x" the wrecks out of the tree though, since that one click successfully returns to my noctis cargo view. But if I had two containers, I wouldn't need to use the tree or the "x."

I didn't have enough time yet to run through other scenarios but I'll try to manipulate and refuel my POS's later today.

I am still hopeful that shortcuts to the station hangar and ship hangar will make their way back, permanently locked, at the bottom of the neocom, as real, physical parts of every station.

I am equally hopeful that a corp hangar shortcut finds its way back to the station services panel to make tree-navigation 100 percent optional. Tree navigation belongs in an operating system and scrolling is not fun.

While these patches are certainly improvements over the UI's state on day one, I'm still missioning less atm. I just don't care if this new UI is a feat of technological acrobatics, until one-click, multi-windowed, drag and drop functionality is restored, this isn't even the same game. The use of an unified system in a complex, dynamic environment limits efficiency and player options. Yes I can make it work. Yes I know how it works. And no, I probably wouldn't quit playing EVE over it in the end, but without any explanation of why limiting our options is necessary, I still feel like something important was taken from the players. Like many, I'm hoping and waiting for the next patch.

I want to see both the cookie jar and the hand.

You don't just throw cookies at the side of the jar and assume they've landed inside.

It doesn't even make sense.

Even if I get used to it, it'll never make sense.

Yonis Kador

Noted.

Since I don't usually use keyboard shortcuts for routine operations, it's going to be a real pita to have to balance the keyboard in my lap all night to play the game. TBH, its easier to use the tree than to do this in the dark and since I dislike tree-navigation being my only recourse, I'm not sure what I'll end up doing.

Ultimately, I hope the prior system's functionality is eventually restored so that I don't even have to make the decision.

But thanks for the heads-up.

Yonis Kador

Well, this just came out, perhaps it will help? (Not trolling, I just found it, and other than its color I like the idea.)

http://www.razerzone.com/hex

Still no note regarding permission display for corp hangar, or did I miss one?

First of all: I know that you are NOT a troll and that you do not tease us. But Why should I buy another hardware to be able to play the game I (once) like(d) - in a way I have learned 4 years back?
CCP has to absolute restore the old UI. After that make ALL other options optional. THIS is the only acceptable way. Nothing other. JUST the old UI with their right click; icons and windows. AFTER that a checkbox within the ESC-menue which is called 'Open all Windows within the unified UI'.

I moved a bunch of ships out of a system the other day on my alts jump freighter. I repackaged 20 ships and their fittings.

My computer is;

i7 3820 @ 4.6Ghz
Asus Rampage Formula 4
16Gb 2.13Ghz DDR3 Quad Channel
2x AMD 6970HD's

The process of repackaging the fittings dropped my alts client to 5 fps over the 30-40 seconds it took to complete the task.
Thats pretty hideous.

Also, a video i made after dt yesterday with some feedback on the current often unworkable state of the unified inventory;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwkqcVkmKpg

0:00 in station - ships cargo window win, but general containers incoherent behaviour
2:40 in space - ships cargo window and looting fail
5:55 in station - drone bay fail.

Wasnt scripted so sorry for rambling but i hope you can see how basic functionality is unintuitive, frustrating and down right broken in some cases.

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Nice video it shows exactly why this new inventory is unnecessary and a waste of time. I find consecutive and all that it achives is to detract from the game and deter me from wanting to play.