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Thanks for the fishes

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Ruareve
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-06-01 08:53:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Ruareve
Not worth the time, NM this thread.

Yet another blog about Eve- http://ruar-eve.blogspot.com/

Chekxxx
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-06-01 09:31:57 UTC
Ruareve wrote:


Today my opinion changed when I read Dev postings stating the rules were intentionally left vague and the actions Hydra and Outbreak took on Sisi aren't against the rules but everyone should be careful just in case.

Now I believe CCP wasn't protecting the spirit of the tournament, rather they were simply not willing to man up and just ban Hydra and Outbreak for last year's actions. CCP deliberately created rules which could be interpreted several different ways by the player base, CCP seemed to ignore requests for clarification from Hydra and Outbreak while reaching out to other Alliances, and then we are told the reason Hydra and Outbreak were banned isn't actually against the rules.


Indeed. Though I disagree with the "ban right away" opinion but the way this was handled is very poor either way.
Luis Graca
#3 - 2012-06-01 10:09:00 UTC
Ruareve wrote:
I don't pirate, don't care for drama or tears



If you don't like drama why are you posting that?
Or even open a new topic
Ruareve
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-06-01 10:31:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Ruareve
Don't care anymore

Yet another blog about Eve- http://ruar-eve.blogspot.com/

Luis Graca
#5 - 2012-06-01 10:34:43 UTC
if you had read the other posts you would see what i was talking about
Chekxxx
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-06-01 10:38:00 UTC
Luis Graca wrote:
if you had read the other posts you would see what i was talking about


If you would read *his posts* you would see what he is talking about. He is definitely not alone...
Luis Graca
#7 - 2012-06-01 11:01:51 UTC
i know i also don't liked it but that doesn't mean to everyone that read that news should open a new threat
sevyn nine
Cutting Edge Incorporated
#8 - 2012-06-01 11:43:47 UTC
Three truths to sum up my feelings:

The quality of the tourney suffers with the ban of Hydra and Outbreak.

CCP's actions may have been heavy-handed, especially for the first year with these new rules.

Hydra and Outbreak were incredibly stupid for joining the same corp on the test server. For two alliances that are so tourney-focused, you'd think they would've been more careful, especially this year.
Lemster
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-06-01 11:49:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Lemster
They could and probably should have just banned them from this year's tourney, but I think they wanted to do their best to give them a second chance. Because these are professional metagamers and will find a hole in any tightly defined rule they had to keep it vague and go with the spirit of it.

They did explain comprehensively, reply to queries politely and issue I think two detailed clarifications. The kids either couldn't bring their tantrums under control or deliberately wanted to make as much noise as possible so as to try to deflect the blame for their screw up from alliance leadership onto ccp so have been waging a spam war on the tourney forums. This has included repeated serious accusations made against ccp staff and constant slight rephasing of the question to justify further demands for responses. Eventually, in the face of this, and waaaaay after stating that the matter was closed and no further forum spam / abuse would be tolerated, they started giving one or two glib answers. Very restrained of them if you ask me. I think you've dropped into the conversation around the glib answer point, reading right from the start you can see how restrained they've been in the face of what they've had to put up with.

The rest of us just wish they'd pack it in so we can use the tourney forums for the tourney. I hate to say it, and it's a bloody shame if it has to be done but I'm starting to think the only way to prevent the continued spam attack is to set it so only members of alliances in the competition can post :(
Cody Zamorah
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-06-01 12:04:40 UTC
Best way to accept a bad leadership is just to hush up is the general consensus.

I think I will open a business and hire the lot of you.
Nothing a boss likes more than employees who don't dare to speak up or stand for anything.
Miss Raven Bandit
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-06-01 12:43:37 UTC
The whole issue is about timely and appropriate communications to avert anything that might compromise the quality of the tournament. Something the ATX team vowed to do this year with the new rules.

Outbreak and Hydra have shown that they tried to get clarification on what they thought were vague. And after reading those mails I cant see how they were anything short of wanting to be fully co-operative. The ATX team did not act on those to avert anything for whatever reasons they may have had. Then without warning or appropriatley recognised communications between the 3 parties ban them both. Fair enough this sets the bar rather high for further rulings, they mean buisness this time!!

This now brings up the question of why weren't RVB allowed to, in a similar fashion, just be ignored and allowed to fall foul and be removed from the torunament. Why initiate a special dispensation for one group and not another? They would have fallen foul of two rules, Possible colluding and stacking the dec.

PL without a doubt were the Main Alliance of their two entries and fell foul of the stacking the dec rule yet the Main alliance was not removed. As stated in the same rule set which on one hand with one group they want to enforce vigorously and yet with others are so lenient.

PL command alot of respect for what they have achieved in pervious AT's and bring alot of interest to the table and rightfully so. So I have to agree with this special dispensation.

Other teams are still seeking clarifications for fear of the same fete as Hydra/Break. The ATX team have since admitted that the rules were vague on purpose.

It seems you need a super natural ability to communicate with or comprehend the ATX team this year and their "feelings" is what seems to be the main theme in this years rules.


EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2012-06-01 14:19:35 UTC
of course not you twit
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#13 - 2012-06-01 14:20:17 UTC
wait let me react to the general consensus of npc alts who are certainly not alts of hydra/outbreak
CCP Soundwave
C C P
C C P Alliance
#14 - 2012-06-01 14:26:20 UTC
"General consensus" in this case means "a few Hydra/Outbreak alts"?
Chekxxx
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-06-01 14:33:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Chekxxx
Lemster wrote:

They did explain comprehensively, reply to queries politely and issue I think two detailed clarifications.


...After issuing final bans. They replied to nothing when the time for replying would have been.

Edit: this whole post. You cannot deny anythin in it, Soundwave.


Miss Raven Bandit wrote:
The whole issue is about timely and appropriate communications to avert anything that might compromise the quality of the tournament. Something the ATX team vowed to do this year with the new rules.

Outbreak and Hydra have shown that they tried to get clarification on what they thought were vague. And after reading those mails I cant see how they were anything short of wanting to be fully co-operative. The ATX team did not act on those to avert anything for whatever reasons they may have had. Then without warning or appropriatley recognised communications between the 3 parties ban them both. Fair enough this sets the bar rather high for further rulings, they mean buisness this time!!

This now brings up the question of why weren't RVB allowed to, in a similar fashion, just be ignored and allowed to fall foul and be removed from the torunament. Why initiate a special dispensation for one group and not another? They would have fallen foul of two rules, Possible colluding and stacking the dec.

PL without a doubt were the Main Alliance of their two entries and fell foul of the stacking the dec rule yet the Main alliance was not removed. As stated in the same rule set which on one hand with one group they want to enforce vigorously and yet with others are so lenient.

PL command alot of respect for what they have achieved in pervious AT's and bring alot of interest to the table and rightfully so. So I have to agree with this special dispensation.

Other teams are still seeking clarifications for fear of the same fete as Hydra/Break. The ATX team have since admitted that the rules were vague on purpose.

It seems you need a super natural ability to communicate with or comprehend the ATX team this year and their "feelings" is what seems to be the main theme in this years rules.


Karbox Delacroix
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-06-01 14:33:53 UTC
CCP Soundwave wrote:
"General consensus" in this case means "a few Hydra/Outbreak alts"?


Cool story bro. Prove it.
Chekxxx
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-06-01 14:37:22 UTC
Karbox Delacroix wrote:
CCP Soundwave wrote:
"General consensus" in this case means "a few Hydra/Outbreak alts"?


Cool story bro. Prove it.


<3
Raimo
Genos Occidere
TRUTH. HONOUR. LIGHT.
#18 - 2012-06-01 14:46:02 UTC
CCP Soundwave wrote:
"General consensus" in this case means "a few Hydra/Outbreak alts"?


Ahh, unbanned now! o/
Cody Zamorah
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-06-01 14:46:43 UTC
I am sorry to report I am not a Hydra not an Outbreak alt.

Just a concerned player who doesn't buy into the smokescreen.
OlRotGut
#20 - 2012-06-01 15:10:35 UTC
They broke the rules that CCP created for the tournament. tough sh*t. move on.
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