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Ganking And KILL RIGHTS

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Mistress Cruelheart
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2012-05-31 09:53:27 UTC
Clearly you arent a regular miner - most gankers are -10 sec, all they do is grab a destroyer from station or an orca, warp in to their scout alt, gank some miner, then warp the pod back to station. Repeat every 15 mins.

How exactly is someone going to gank him back in a nice expensive ship to get even?
nat longshot
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2012-05-31 09:53:36 UTC
Thor Kerrigan wrote:
I love it when their drones auto-aggro back ;..;


thats why mine are set passive hahah

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nat longshot
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2012-05-31 09:55:36 UTC
Mistress Cruelheart wrote:
Clearly you arent a regular miner - most gankers are -10 sec, all they do is grab a destroyer from station or an orca, warp in to their scout alt, gank some miner, then warp the pod back to station. Repeat every 15 mins.

How exactly is someone going to gank him back in a nice expensive ship to get even?


last i checked iam now a 3.5 sec standing.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=16008061
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=15815869

and no most are not -10

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Mistress Cruelheart
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2012-05-31 09:58:38 UTC
I suggest you try checking the leader board of Hulkageddon V. The dedicated gankers who are the real problem for miners are all -10.
Skorpynekomimi
#25 - 2012-05-31 09:59:22 UTC
Oh, but you do get kill rights if you're ganked.
At least in lowsec, and if you don't aggress back.

Oh, hey, that reminds me. I have kill rights on the guy who popped my industrial a while back. I should go make use of that.

Economic PVP

nat longshot
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-05-31 09:59:55 UTC
Mistress Cruelheart wrote:
I suggest you try checking the leader board of Hulkageddon V. The dedicated gankers who are the real problem for miners are all -10.


easy fix dont mine with 5-6 jumps of a low sec exit.

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Mistress Cruelheart
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2012-05-31 10:06:43 UTC
The dedicated gankers dont live in low sec so that is an irrelevence.

They dock up in the system where the miners are and emerge in there catalysts and thrashers only to gank.

The kill rights are an irrelevence because you can always shoot them as they are -10, they just arent ever flying anything worth blowing up to get even later on which was the point of your OP.

At best you can pod them and make them buy a new inexpensive clone.
Don Davis
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2012-05-31 10:45:17 UTC
Tobiaz wrote:
Most people ganking miners are generally not flying around a lot in shiny Incursion ships or such. Nor do most miners have the necessary skills to take them on.

Kill-rights will only become useful if they no longer stupidly expire after 30 days, allow podkilling, are transferable to 'bounty-hunters' and will be tied into a new bounty system based on loss-value.


Yeah CCP should make the killrights transferrable. Something like a killrights market, this way bountyhunting would become a reasonable profession.
My Postman
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2012-05-31 11:03:16 UTC
Will you please be so kind to tell me how i should do that:

Getting ganked in a hulk, ok so.
My Arazu might be 3 jumps away, so i go to pick it up.
Coming back to ganking site, check if my friend is still in local.
Checking belts or probing.

Finding my friend blowing his catalyst up with my Arazu.
Getting concorded, as 15 min timer is over by 30 mins.

My loss: 1 hulk, 1 arazu
His loss: 2 catalysts

Any thoughts?
nat longshot
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-05-31 21:10:05 UTC  |  Edited by: nat longshot
My Postman wrote:
Will you please be so kind to tell me how i should do that:

Getting ganked in a hulk, ok so.
My Arazu might be 3 jumps away, so i go to pick it up.
Coming back to ganking site, check if my friend is still in local.
Checking belts or probing.

Finding my friend blowing his catalyst up with my Arazu.
Getting concorded, as 15 min timer is over by 30 mins.

My loss: 1 hulk, 1 arazu
His loss: 2 catalysts

Any thoughts?


1 use a loaction agent to get the location of your target.
2 bring help
3 enjoy catching him off guard for the fact no ever really claims there kill rights you will catch him off guard.
4 kill rights are good for 30 days plain your attack just like he did be smart about think before you act or you will not catch him of guard.

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Rengerel en Distel
#31 - 2012-05-31 21:37:00 UTC
yeah, go out and kill him in his destroyer! that'll teach him to mess with you!

or he'll laugh at you for wasting time tracking him down in order to kill a destroyer.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.

Eternal Error
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-05-31 21:46:25 UTC
IMO you should get kill rights for being ganked in hisec even if you shoot back. I don't really understand the current logic as far as that goes. I also like the many proposed changes to the bounty system/transferable kill rights.

Also, it should be legal to pod people who are -10 (maybe set the threshold at below -7.5 or something).

And no, I'm not a carebear, and have participated a little bit in Hulkageddon V.
nat longshot
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-06-01 00:02:10 UTC  |  Edited by: nat longshot
Eternal Error wrote:
IMO you should get kill rights for being ganked in hisec even if you shoot back. I don't really understand the current logic as far as that goes. I also like the many proposed changes to the bounty system/transferable kill rights.

Also, it should be legal to pod people who are -10 (maybe set the threshold at below -7.5 or something).

And no, I'm not a carebear, and have participated a little bit in Hulkageddon V.


it is or was legal to pod -10 my alt did in a insta lock nado from 140k in hek.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=15214813 .

i also belive you do get kill rights if your attacked first in high sec and lose your ship even if you fire back not sure on that.

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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#34 - 2012-06-01 00:10:28 UTC
Mistress Cruelheart wrote:
Clearly you arent a regular miner - most gankers are -10 sec, all they do is grab a destroyer from station or an orca, warp in to their scout alt, gank some miner, then warp the pod back to station. Repeat every 15 mins.

That's not even remotely true. The vast majority of the ganks that happen are random people who feel like killing a miner. -10 alts with a character ejecting ships from an orca for them are uncommon.
nat longshot
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-06-01 00:14:26 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Mistress Cruelheart wrote:
Clearly you arent a regular miner - most gankers are -10 sec, all they do is grab a destroyer from station or an orca, warp in to their scout alt, gank some miner, then warp the pod back to station. Repeat every 15 mins.

That's not even remotely true. The vast majority of the ganks that happen are random people who feel like killing a miner. -10 alts with a character ejecting ships from an orca for them are uncommon.


so then my statement of attacking said ganker still hold true.

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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#36 - 2012-06-01 00:56:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
Declaring all gankers to be -10 throwaway alts is a convenient excuse for people to do nothing and then whine on the forums that nothing was done.
nat longshot
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2012-06-01 14:23:39 UTC
My Postman wrote:
Will you please be so kind to tell me how i should do that:

Getting ganked in a hulk, ok so.
My Arazu might be 3 jumps away, so i go to pick it up.
Coming back to ganking site, check if my friend is still in local.
Checking belts or probing.

Finding my friend blowing his catalyst up with my Arazu.
Getting concorded, as 15 min timer is over by 30 mins.

My loss: 1 hulk, 1 arazu
His loss: 2 catalysts

Any thoughts?


first off Arazu bad pick of that all you got for combat ship a rifter if it catchs it could kill one. there armor is to thin and bad little in weapons.

So ya you might lose a Arazu.

But do you really read my replys take your time in killing the sob you have 30 days.

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Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
#38 - 2012-06-01 14:27:45 UTC
Jackles hunt in packs. Most miners I know are solo players. Feeding the jackles with foolish retaliatory attempts seems pretty pointless and it's like giveing them what they want isn't it?
nat longshot
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2012-06-01 14:31:51 UTC
Ana Vyr wrote:
Jackles hunt in packs. Most miners I know are solo players. Feeding the jackles with foolish retaliatory attempts seems pretty pointless and it's like giveing them what they want isn't it?


Ah i see someone that thinks there untouchable here a clue your not no one is.

Yes jackles hunt in pack sooner or later one flys away for something though.

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Widow Cain
#40 - 2012-06-01 14:33:25 UTC
nat longshot wrote:
Ban Bindy wrote:
You don't have to read the forum if you don't like it. Your petulant little demand will not change one single post.


This post is to remind people that seem to forgot you get kill rights if your ganked in high sec.


Maybe the miner could drill that expensive ship to death?

Unreal

OMG You are sooo pixel macho...

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