EVE General Discussion

This post is a diamond in the, rough. I think eve would be a better game if CCP were daring enough to make these sought of changes

While I appreciate you agreeing with me I would like the players to fill Concord's shoes. Dishing out 'justice' if you will. Unfortunately this kind of game style is no where in sight. Even the war dec changes go a step further to protect large entities from being in harms way with astronomical costs to war dec super large alliances.

There is so many game design flaws that need to be addressed.

good post. I agree that no consequences really is a turn off here for me. Ganking is not exciting if you do it over and over. Scamming is not exciting if you do it over and over and nothing happens to you if you get caught.

Having very few rules is all fine and dandy unless you have fun breaking them.

It's up to you to dole out the consequences, not NPC's. That's why they call this an MMO and a sandbox. If that turns you off, I suggest you're playing the wrong game. WoW is thataway ------>>>

If I was a newbie and had started several months ago, maybe I wouldn't extend my subsription beneath the first 3 months.
Eve is very difficult to learn, I remember that it took me almost about half a year to get some basic understanding of the game- and I am still terrible at PvP.
Right now everyone in highsec is treated as scum-of-the earth risk averse crybaby, and people don't check if the character they gank is several weeks old or not (and younger characters are always considered to be alts anyway).
I think almost everyone in here started the game with mining, because the mechanics are the easiest to understand for newbies. Right now those miners are hunted down in highsec- and will be greeted with even more fire and death should they dare to put their noses into lowsec (yeah, gatecamps can be easily avoided...unless you are a newbie and have no clue how to do it).
The whole mechanics of eve are tailored around being the baddie with those people trying to be the "good guys" inevitably becoming the victims- the only way to succeed is to be an even bigger douche than the other player.
Death is meaningless for older and richer players, while losing a ship might be a terrible setback for newer players.
Wardec corps in highsec pick out especially young and inept corps, newer players have no chance at all to fight those experienced pvpers in their shitfit vessles and get mocked afterwards for their horrible fits.

If I were a newbie nowadays I would just say "screw you all", leave after several weeks and never look back.

Possible, albeit drastic solution: Make highsec be inhabitable for low-SP players only. Players with more than 10 M SP would be blinking red to everybody and could be shot down at will without consequences. Players with more than 20 M SP would be concorded. Problem solved.

It's not about the ganking. Even new players should be able to defend themselves from 3 week old catalyst pilots. It is about removing neutral repped, off grid boosted t2 or faction pwn-machines that wardec the newb corps just for the lulz.
And yeah...advanced industry would be moved to low and null sec...I thought that was a good thing and something you were always asking for?

Very good post, a lot good suggestions and ideas. Old players need stop focusing on own game visions, like only my game style is right and correct.

Gallente Brofist.

Half the forums is people trying to jam their playstyle down everyone else's throat as the "real way to play EVE".

But you didn't quit because you adapted (at least somewhat - even though you didn't like it) and stayed. That's the way it should be. This game is harsh. Deal with it.




Seriously? It's that difficult of a concept to take a 0-skilled alt and scout the other side of a low-sec gate before jumping your more expensive ship through it? Do you tend to not look to the left and right before you cross the road so that you aren't hit by a bus?? Yeah, same concept. Check for danger first. Common sense. I see it's lacking with many people, and as such the fist of Darwin should cull the stupid from the herd for the benefit of the rest of the gene pool.

I don't see you as "scum". I see you as easy victims, and you've time after time again proven me right. The weak will always be victimized, whether in-game or IRL. That's the way it's always been, with humans and in nature in general. I don't know why you expect it to be any different in game that simulates life in fairly lawless wild west of space. It's not my fault you haven't learned to play this game and be successful at pvp, no more than it's not my fault if you get your butt kicked on the street because you didn't know how to raise your fist and land a punch.

Also, I didn't start by mining. Perhaps I'm the exception to the rule. I didn't see all of the mining videos made about this game and say to myself "OMFG! That's awesome! I want to do that! Mining and botting AFK is wicked sweet!" No, I saw the videos of the battles, the concept of the single-shard environment. I saw the video Causality and wanted be that guy. This is what drew me to Eve. Not the constant sound of strip mining while watching TV.



You know, you could still be the "Good Guy" and try to take the fight to those you consider bad. To me, I consider people who think they can just AFK in this game and make ISK as bad. I personally feel that they bring little to the game except to be cannon fodder. That's just me though. I don't demand that you change. I'll just gank your balls off. Whether you change or not is entirely up to you. You're also free to try to kill me if you want. I am -10 afterall.




Cool bro. See ya later! o/

Doesn't segregating low-SP characters and higher-SP ones like that kinda defeat the entire concept of an open/single shard sandbox environment? Jesus, why does every sniveling whining carebear want to turn Eve into another game? For the love of baby Jesus, just stop. If you don't like the game, LEAVE! If you like it, stay. It's just that simple, and CCP doesn't expect you to do anything different from that from a consumer standpoint.

Wrong. This would mean the end of the small industrialists as it would be impossible to break into new markets without a massive investment of isk and skillpoints. The bare minimum would be the need of a jump frieghter. What we have now is perfect as the smart people of EVE can profit no matter their age.