EVE General Discussion

Ok no disrespect, but there are more kills on hulks than hulks that are saved by Concorde, and a single hulk might just get away some times, but chances are low, and the only time that I’ve personally seen and instant warp is while undocking from a station whilst your moving, not from a stand still.
The tank I posted was crap not good enough to with stand an attack and I have made no claims that it could, armour tank would be the worst fit, but some carebears claim to have 30,000 EHP, I can’t see how this is possible on a well tanked/ resistant tank and only a fool would just fit shield extenders and not hardeners.
Some corporations run mining ops, and it’s not always easy to get your squad out in time, not everyone mines alone, if it was possible then I’m sure the carebear players would be grateful if you could provide a fleet loot history with amounts minded in Hi-sec “ screen shot will do with characters names photo shopped out “ and details of a concorded Ganker during said operation.
Ultimately most miners can’t successfully survive a gank and haven’t had the experience of null sec and fleet warfare; they are just high sec miners, again I do NOT GANK so the whole Dps thing is irrelevant is fine, but numbers prove Hi sec miners can’t survive as more are killed than not.
For those Miners who want to prove how GOD like their abilities are to survive a Gank, single miner or mining op with two or more miners and evidence that they achieved this please post screenshots with characters names and the corporation that they mine for removed.
The mining community would be grateful for your expert wisdom.

Comments like this really show how out of touch some people are from the overall concept of mining. It's really simple... Everything I refer to below is all high-sec.

I'm maxed on most skills needed to do quite a few tasks in EVE. Let's take level IV missions. Single char in a Marauder with a Noctis following. 50M+ ISK per hour maybe more, absolutely risk free. The Noctis gets it all, salvage and all loot. Bring a Tengu along too which just melts frigs and cruisers then take that to about 80-90M ISK per hour, risk free (again also clearing the site of all salvage and loot). Easy and not much thinking.

Now let's take trading - hit and miss but good days can make more than that if you find a good deal. With maxed trading skills you can buy and sell regionally and use courier missions to ferry it around. Station trading and trading on the spread, not bad if you work at it. But, can make billions for those who are very good at it. Little to no risk but hauling stuff in Freighters can push the risk upside somewhat but manageable if your careful. Requires more skill, good planning and some good market sense and intuition.

Now we come to mining. Let's assume top skills (which I have) and I don't bother with billion ISK implants. Two hulks + Orca support. Using proper fit, T2 crystals, maxed mining leadership skills for Orca pilot, mining gang modules. That nets about 50-60M ISK per hour maybe more (give or take - ore prices in high sec move about a bit). Risk, well it's high right now .

Now here is the issue. Take that fit you suggested and it would probably just take two to kill the hulk instead of one. BUT it would sooo gimp the Hulk's earning capacity that you may as well go do something else because just about everything else would be more profitable.

Thus... suggesting a setup like that is analogous to saying, "don't bother mining" - but I guess you didn't think of that .

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Being able to earn 80-90mil an hour with no risk is example of how much the stealth buffs of high sec over the last 3 years have been over played.

I just want to point out some obvious circumstances for you that Gankers know but those miners that think they can still mine in a barge don’t.
1. Ganker collateral loss est. 1 mill loss at cost for destroyer not including mods
2. Miner collateral loss est. 250 mill at cost for hulk not including mods, loss of ore
3. Miner collateral loss est. 150mil at cost for tier 3 battleship not including mods, loss of ore

DPS

3. Destroyer cat 1000 per volley
4. Battlecruiser Talos 5000 per volley

Tank
1. Hulk EHP 20,000+ varies on skills and fits eg ..heavy armour plates and extended cargp holds will slow you down also warping, even if your aligned correctly.

Time to destruction
Destroyer will destroy your Hulk in less than 4 minutes maybe 3 Minutes
Battlecruiser trier 3 will destroy your Hulk in less than 2 minutes
2. “Logi support” Gank logi first 1 minute;
3. Gank Hulk second as above 2-4 minutes

Note any carebear that runs missions should realize you can’t tank this much DPS even if you’re NOT afk.
Other factors
Most of the time you can’t warp off because they fit warp scramblers.
CONCORD will NOT get there in time, most of the time.
They know where to find you
You don’t know they are coming! previous Ganker characters can sometimes be irrelevant and they create new characters each time, you haven’t been war dec’d so the likely hood of you seeing them in local is small.

Suggestions
Don’t Mine!
Gank them before they Gank you “unlikely”
Form a PVP defence squad to shield the miner, but you need a few PVPers as the Ganker will bring more friends the larger your squad is.
Mine in a battleship, not practical because of the small cargo hold but it is mining, or use orca support or giant containers
Mine in missions
Mine in gravimetric sites
Ninja Mine
Mine into a giant container with a disposable mining ship like an Osprey.
Mine in a T1 Mining barge with insurance but expect to get Ganked.

Facts
These aren’t new facts, don’t fool yourself.
This is a war that miners cannot win as most characters mine alone in Hi sec, but you might not get seen for a while, there’s always a chance.
This isn’t your fault even a Ganker couldn’t save a Hulk against another Ganker.

More
As I have never Ganked or been Ganked, please could Gankers/PVPers post their optimum Kill rate/ stats/DPS and fits to validate claims, I have only used estimates on DPS/time and EHP.
All stats that I have used are only ESTIMATES!!!

wtb 5000 DPS talos