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Hulkageddon, something to worry about?
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Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#21 - 2012-05-30 18:35:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Khanh'rhh
Horace Nancyball wrote:
Sabotaged wrote:
They will kill you before CONCORD arrives. CONCORD has a 20 second response time. A 5 million ISK ship will kill you in 8 seconds easily with the right skills.



I tested it last night and would say that in 1.0 CONCORD's response time is nearer 5 seconds. Obviously it wouldn't be so prompt in 0.5 but I don't know if the curve in between is linear or not. Clearly, especially with a passive targetter, it would be quite possible to alpha a T1 barge with a cheap T1 fit destroyer even in 1.0, thereafter success would depend on your recycle time I guess.


It's almost instant in 1.0 ... something like 2-3 seconds.

In 0.5 it's around 17-20 seconds.

The curve is roughly linear between IIRC but it should be noted there's a lot of variation and all times are only averages (to avoid min-maxing and opening up exploits).

I don't know what you mean by a passive targeter, but I think this is a misconception. CONCORD won't stop you locking another ship in highsec, only firing. If they are using alpha it doesn't matter if the CONCORD time is 1 or 100 seconds as they only get on their way after the shells have hit the hull :)

It does, however, cost much more to gank with alpha than high DPS, making defense strategies that force the ganker into using alpha quite viable (such as logistics).

If they are ganking for the GSF payments then there's no way to alpha a hulk that would result in a profitable scheme, since it would take 1 or two Tornados to do it --- loss 90-180mil.

The best way to avoid it is to not be there when they land. As a new player this means learning how to dscan and warp out rapidly before sticking a Hulk in a belt.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Pookie McPook
The Whiskers of Kurvi-Tasch
#22 - 2012-05-30 18:59:20 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
I don't know what you mean by a passive targeter, but I think this is a misconception. CONCORD won't stop you locking another ship in highsec, only firing. If they are using alpha it doesn't matter if the CONCORD time is 1 or 100 seconds as they only get on their way after the shells have hit the hull :)
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I think he was probably referring to the element of surprise rather than triggering CONCORD. If the miner was aligned and moving when he started to be targetted then there is always the chance he could hit warp before the attacker could get lock especially in a stripped down ship.
Valk Enaka
Wohlstandsgesellschaft
#23 - 2012-05-31 01:48:27 UTC
Aeryn Banks wrote:
Valk Enaka wrote:
::EDIT:: confirming it should be over


Unfortunately, it has been extended indefinitely until further notice. Shocked

Check General Discussion forum for further details.

Should just be the goonswarm federation payouts that continue...which applies only to the exhumer kills....so mining barges, etc should be fine (as fine as they are normally anyway).
Hrothgar Nilsson
#24 - 2012-05-31 11:51:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Hrothgar Nilsson
There exist services to help mitigate losses for miners in Hulks.

V V V

I've... seen things you people wouldn't believe...

Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion...
Sin Pew
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2012-05-31 12:35:45 UTC
Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:
There exist services to help mitigate losses for miners in Hulks.

V V V
Best insurance is to fly what you can afford to lose and T1 insurance only mitigates losses, but a miner unable to afford the loss of a hulk now and then despite fitting for yield is obviously doing a pitifull job and deserves to be ganked.

[i]"haiku are easy, But sometimes they don't make sense, Refrigerator."[/i]
Sin Pew
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2012-05-31 19:42:50 UTC
Sabotaged wrote:
Sin Pew wrote:
trying to warp away is pointless as it's already too late if you're dealing with a ganker, hence my recommendations to use local and dscan, like anyone venturing out of highsec should know, because these are early indicators allowing the miner to warp to a safe place before the gankers lands on grid.

Of course, hitting warp just for the sake of it is natural, but I found it better to warn new player that it's pointless and raise the attention on weaknesses and solar system awareness as it might prove usefull beyond the sole scope of mining.
Reacting when the ship lands on grid is recipe for a lossmail and a bad advice, it's just a matter of facts.

So you believe that not reacting when a warship lands on grid is better advice than reacting.... and pray he leaves you alone?

You can't apply low-sec rules to hi-sec. Not everyone is trying to kill you for one thing. If I'm mining in a system with 100 people how does watching local help? People come and go constantly. dscan will tell you whose running missions near you. How does that help?

Sin Pew wrote:
I remember a minning op with a corpmate to collect veld for heavy missiles, him in a rokh, my alt in a covetor T2 strips and crystals... he mined more than I did in the same period of time.

A fitted Rokh yields 891/ore a minute with practically no cargohold and costs about 300 million. A Covetor does 1146/ore a minute and costs under a 100 million. Without Mining Foreman bonuses. Obviously you're doing something wrong.

Hulk is only few days away from Covetor, 299 million with a 1609/ore yield and 8000 cargohold.
Yeah I can pull out partial quotes and theoretical EFT numbers too... but I got better things to do than proving you're wrong.

[i]"haiku are easy, But sometimes they don't make sense, Refrigerator."[/i]
No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#27 - 2012-05-31 19:45:29 UTC
Befrog wrote:
oh well, its still a game, and there is always risk in a game.. ofcasue i get mad loosing a ship now and then, but i get over it.

thats why this game is fun


Pay attention and assume everyone in your belt is out to get you and you'll be fine.

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Cameron Zero
Sebiestor Tribe
#28 - 2012-05-31 19:48:58 UTC
No More Heroes wrote:
Befrog wrote:
oh well, its still a game, and there is always risk in a game.. ofcasue i get mad loosing a ship now and then, but i get over it.

thats why this game is fun


Pay attention and assume everyone in your belt is out to get you and you'll be fine.


Everyone in your system (and the people sitting next door) are also out to get you.

In fact, if you just play the game like everyone you meet is out to get you, you'll do fine. ;)

"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. …"
Disastro
Wrecking Shots
#29 - 2012-06-01 00:03:26 UTC
Befrog wrote:
So i've not been playing eve for almost 2 years, and just got back, i noticed that an event called Hulkageddon is something that is really popular, i do alot of highsec mining, as i am to bad for pvp, and i really suck in any game pvp, as i am just bad at games.

currently u only activated 1 of my 3 accounts, as i wanted to do some level 2 missions to learn a little about combat.

however my question is, this hulkageddon, dont people wwho attack in highsec, get nuked by CONVOY? or is Highsec no longer protected ground?


I wouldnt worry about it at all.....where do you mine by the way?
Sasha Deathcabin Yvormes
The Mistwraith
#30 - 2012-06-01 06:58:43 UTC
If you have a 2nd account, create a new toon, have them fire on you in the belt and concord will come and destroy them. Then you have concord ships in your belt. simple.
Sabotaged
Veritas Vincit
#31 - 2012-06-12 03:08:06 UTC
Sin Pew wrote:
Yeah I can pull out partial quotes and theoretical EFT numbers too... but I got better things to do than proving you're wrong.

Are you saying that EFT is wrong? Sounds like blasphemy.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2012-06-12 03:32:12 UTC
Sasha Deathcabin Yvormes wrote:
If you have a 2nd account, create a new toon, have them fire on you in the belt and concord will come and destroy them. Then you have concord ships in your belt. simple.


Yes! This will allow you to mine afk in complete safety! Wonder why no one else thought of this What?

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Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#33 - 2012-06-12 05:16:50 UTC
Tank your miner hard enough that it takes several ships to alpha you down and you're good. It's about not being a worthwhile target more than actually trying to be invincible.
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