EVE General Discussion

ROFL, very nice.

i've never suicide ganked (or mined for that matter), but I can see why lots of people like doing it. I am more impressed by the people who gank mission runners in pimp fit ships (a while back I noticed killmails on eve-kill by a guy killing tengus with an arty apoc or something, that was so cool lol).

I mainly intersested in this issue (and high sec issues in general) because i've always been fascinated by how people try to justify their unjustifiable actions and posistions in the face of obvious facts to the contrary. The shear amount of logical fallacies coming from that last guy you were arguing with (the "I shouldn't have to do that" guy) was beyond entertaining lol.

It's obvious that the high sec people whinning on the forums are slef interested people who want to have their cake (play eve and interact with other players via selling minerals or shooting npcs for bounties) and eat it too (play in perfect safety without risk of loss). I've just never seen a single one of them admit it.

highsec mission runners? I'd say the percentage is fairly low if they do.

6 years of this same argument is getting rather old tbh

Most of the people whining about this won't even be here in 2 years regardless of hulkageddon, high sec ganking, etc...

So, by all means continue to QQ like so many before you, for changes that time and time again CCP has stated they will not make.

Pretty easy kills, actually, since you always know exactly where the resist hole is. All you have to do is deal enough damage to break their tank and let the rats do the rest. Used to be an issue more than hullk ganking was.

Never as widespread as hulk ganking, but mission runners were never as obnoxious about wanting to be left alone either.

Mission tengu can be alpha'd upon undocking if they dont turn on their hardeners

Um. No, they don't. I live in hi-sec and have zero interest into turning it into a Theme Park MMO. Most of the folks I engage with have zero interest in turning it into a Theme Park MMO. I came here specifically to get away from Theme Park MMOs (blech). So here's one hi-sec'er who will be fighting tooth and nail to keep Eve dangerous.

meh, it's all just propaganda 101, demonizing the enemy/competition.

I'm pretty sure some of the head honchos in the major alliances have read up on psychological warfare tactics as well. No doubt that would come in handy when dealing with so many players.

Eventually, the enemy will just quit logging in, because they're not having fun anymore. That's the whole point.

I was under the assumption EVE was a sandbox - as in do as you want while others do as they want. I don't mind hi-sec not being safe. It definitely wasn't when I started and I never expected it to be.

Had my share of trouble, rode the wave and c'est la vie. No problem with that especially since I got podded in my first 2 months of playing EVE.

But from sandbox game to PVP game, that's a rather long way to go. I'm fine with EVE being a PVP-centric game. But the point of EVE is that everybody can do something that would fit his/her play-style without something specific being enforced to anybody.

You CAN do what you want while others do what they want. Sometimes what others want is to shoot you in the face while you're doing what you want.



What you're describing is more of a "walled garden" than a sandbox. The nature of a sandbox is that the game mechanics allow you to do what you want - that doesn't extend to the other players in the sandbox. They're another matter entirely.

Everything and anything can be considered PvP. Even buying flowers for your girl from the local market, the local market stole the business of the regional florist.

People even PvP over attention of the opposite sex, happens all the time.

It's a cut-throat world out there, and eve does a pretty good job at mimicking it.