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[UPDATE #4] Hisec miners, unite!
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TheBig Bukowsky
High Safety
#81 - 2012-05-31 06:00:19 UTC
Karn Dulake wrote:
OP this is a nice idea but im sorry ill have to **** on your parade.

When setting up something like this always look for the weaknesses


I join HMining INTEL with an alt and it give me perfect intel to where all the mining ships are at the moment.


Gank heaven and no work.


One its been infiltrated no one will use it.


Not really. It's not for calling where are the miners but where and who are the suicide gankers. But I see that by saying where are the gankers we may expose the miners... if only not miners but friendly scouts could report too that problem would be solved.
RAP ACTION HERO
#82 - 2012-05-31 06:11:07 UTC
TheBig Bukowsky wrote:
Karn Dulake wrote:
OP this is a nice idea but im sorry ill have to **** on your parade.

When setting up something like this always look for the weaknesses


I join HMining INTEL with an alt and it give me perfect intel to where all the mining ships are at the moment.


Gank heaven and no work.


One its been infiltrated no one will use it.


Not really. It's not for calling where are the miners but where and who are the suicide gankers. But I see that by saying where are the gankers we may expose the miners... if only not miners but friendly scouts could report too that problem would be solved.


op you need to add "don't be a moron and report blue intel"

vitoc erryday
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#83 - 2012-05-31 06:17:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Rinn
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:
op you need to add "don't be a moron and report blue intel"


^ what he said. Hisec folks organising intel channels need to be aware that you never report blues. No, "o/ Soandso in Eygfe". This might seem unfriendly at first, but you will very quickly learn that blue intel gets peoples' ships blown up. That, and blue intel is annoyingly spammy.

Drag red pilot's name into chat, drag solar system into chat, hit return. Perhaps include the ship type being flown (for -10 gankers this will usually be "pod"). It is also worth figuring out who the Orca alts are, and reporting them too.

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Ituhata Saken
Killboard Padding Services
#84 - 2012-05-31 06:22:17 UTC
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:

op you need to add "don't be a moron and report blue intel"


So close...
InternetSpaceship
State War Academy
Caldari State
#85 - 2012-05-31 07:36:54 UTC
Finally one of you pubbies gets it. This is how a sandbox works.

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If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.  If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you.
Ned Black
Driders
#86 - 2012-05-31 08:10:12 UTC
Thalen Draganos wrote:
Ned Black wrote:
[quote=Tatjana Braun]

Which is EXACTLY why local should be removed in nullsec. If you are in high risk space then there really should be high risk if you want to do just about anything... not like the current PvE heaven nullspace really is.

What they should do is

Remove local so that the nullbears can actually feel the fear of being ganked... as an added bonus that would fix the AFK cloaker problem as well. Suddenly you would have to fear the active cloaker and not the one that is AFK.
Remove automatic mails about POS/SOV structures being attacked. If you dont have people present that can detect the activity you should be able to sneak around and smash whoever in their faces.
Remove automatic mails about hostile POSes being put in place.

Suddenly you nullbears would have to experience a bit of that risk and no safe place in eve you love to talk about... but for some strange reason you never seem to like any idea that makes YOUR risk any greater... very strange...
.

One thing I think you may have missed is that things like hulkageddon aren't restricted by high sec, low sec, or even null sec. It's an impartial event that everyone everywhere can take part in. Either by doing the killing or doing the exploding. Safety in Eve is no different. Aside from concord to do the bit of policing that it does, It is up to the players to ensure either their own safety or the safety of others regardless of where you are. Local chat is merely a tool that people can use to ensure that safety. So, if you remove it from null sec, you should remove it for every part of space. That way the risk is the same.
Basically, the only difference between high sec, low sec or null sec is the presence of concord, gate/station guns and sec status hits to the players. Otherwise your in the same situation where, regardless of what your doing, you should always be looking over your shoulder or watching local as it were. So don't be stupid and think that the risk is different in any other part of space in any other way than the amount of players in it.


I would not be opposed to remove local from all over. But the risk IS different in highsec compared to nullsec... actually quite a bit diffrent when you think about it.

The diffrence between is simple yet substantial. In highsec you have between 10-1000 people in just about every system you go to. Most of the time the majority of those are "neuts"... which means that you cant determin if they are friendly or not. If a new neutral guy pops into "your" highsec system you simply ignore it because otherwise you would never ever leave station...

In nullsec however you have two statuses. Friendly or otherwise. If its a friend that jumps into your system you simply keep doing what you did before the friend arrived... if its not a friend then you immediatly KNOW that you need to get your bling bling ship safe or risk losing it. The result is that you initiate warp the second you notice the neutral in local... So it is in fact a LOT easier to stay safe doing PvE activities in nullsec than it is in highsec.

So while you can't see the forrest because of all the trees in highsec you immediatly spot the cat among the ferrets in nullsec... and that is a MAJOR diffrence in risk if you ask me. By removing local you would remove that huge advantage and suddenly... suddenly the nullsec hulkageddon would be very possible unlike today when every hulk and their drones warps to safety before you grid even loads.
Sidus Isaacs
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#87 - 2012-05-31 08:50:15 UTC
Props to OP for actually playing the game!
Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
True Reign
#88 - 2012-05-31 09:01:03 UTC
Nothing is going to stop gankers from joining your channel and filling it with disinformation, especially if it turns out to be successful. Announcing ganks where there are none, for instance. Plus knowing where they are doesn't do a lot to stop them.

I once spent a couple of evenings warning people that there was a gate camp in Amamake, with alts sitting on both sides of the gate, calling out ship numbers and ship types. I saved almost nobody. Even when warned, players still jumped into the gate camp like lemmings, and died. I have a feeling this exercise will be a lot like that one. But it's worth a try.
Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#89 - 2012-05-31 09:46:43 UTC
+1 for OP. Finally! someone who does something sandbox-y instead of littering the forums with whineposts.

"I'd rather have other players get shot by other players than not interacting with others" -CCP Soundwave
TheBig Bukowsky
High Safety
#90 - 2012-05-31 15:32:40 UTC
Updated with some good news
Drax Dremal
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#91 - 2012-05-31 15:40:13 UTC
We need to unite against the invading hoard!!
Pok Nibin
Doomheim
#92 - 2012-06-01 07:08:19 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Pok Nibin wrote:
Hulkageddon IS irrelevant. I once shot an irrelevant in my pajamas! How he got in my pajamas, I'll never know.
Hulkageddon is the sort of activity dreamed up by bored people with no imagination - er...that's why they're bored. There's NO challenge to it. It requires NO remarkable skills. Hell, there's half a dozen "How-to for the beginners" on the interweb thingy. Admit it. You don't say things like this to show your intelligence. It's a lap dog thing for your handler, right? Always good to lick the master's hand. Props back atcha.

Woof! Woof! <-------- Translation for Goons.


That's why it owns because you get so mad about it

Please, dear child. If (as you say) it "OWNS because [I] get so MAD about it" YOU are the most delusional person I have yet to see post on this forum, however, you don't get the Crown of Delusion for anyone associated with this game. Oh were it so for your puny - teeny- tiny excuse for a brain, that this pissant crap GOONS do is worthy of anger. The truth of it is, it's not worthy of even pity...the lowest form of emotion. So...in a sense of scale and from your own admission, an ant would have to lift its leg to pee on top of your head. Good work. I hope life improves for you...eventually.

The right to free speech doesn't automatically carry with it the right to be taken seriously.
Xinivrae
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#93 - 2012-06-01 07:24:22 UTC
Pok Nibin wrote:

Please, dear child. If (as you say) it "OWNS because [I] get so MAD about it" YOU are the most delusional person I have yet to see post on this forum, however, you don't get the Crown of Delusion for anyone associated with this game. Oh were it so for your puny - teeny- tiny excuse for a brain, that this pissant crap GOONS do is worthy of anger. The truth of it is, it's not worthy of even pity...the lowest form of emotion. So...in a sense of scale and from your own admission, an ant would have to lift its leg to pee on top of your head. Good work. I hope life improves for you...eventually.


It is apparently worth typing out a lengthy response that makes you look like a front runner for the most pretentious poster award.

Did you really just say "dear child"? Really?
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#94 - 2012-06-01 08:23:44 UTC
TheBig Bukowsky wrote:
- Create your own Hisec Mining INTEL channel with information about suicide gankers. Each time you spot any of them, call their name and the system they're in. If you've been suicide ganked, report that too.

- Add suicide gankers to your watchlist and warp-out as soon as they enter in local.

- Consort with Hisec PVP corps and/or Mercenaries so they can wardec them in order to kill them before they may act.

- Use logistics in your mining ops, fit ECM drones, tank your hulks, protect yourselves.

- Distrust anyone warping to your belt. If you have no protection, report him in the Intel channel and warp out.

- Make sure to recruite more miners and mining corps to your cause. The more you are the better.

- Stop complaining, you're just feeding their egos and CCP won't help you.


[UPDATE]

Ok, let's start small guys. Feel free to join "HMining INTEL" Channel or mail me in-game to start organizing all this situation we have here. Not only miners, but anyone wanting to help would be welcome.

Hisec Miners of EVE, unite!


[UPDATE #2]

Channel is up and running. Kicked a few goons (no offense). Spread the word. Tell your friends. Let the intel flow!


[UPDATE #3]
- Mailing list added: Ganklist
If your name is on the list and you think it shouldn't, please contact me!

Our little enterprise is growing


I don't think this will work as you will never reach the larger mining community that does not participate on the forums.

You would be better advising miners to join a wormhole or null sec corp where they can mine something better than veldspar.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
hedge betts Shiyurida
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#95 - 2012-06-01 08:31:14 UTC
The only way to to limit ganking back to normal levels it to put an end to killboards.

At a guess id say 60% of current gankers are only padding their KB to make their epeen bigger.

But as this will never happen were all fuked hahahahahahahhahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahahaha. / Curles up in a corner

Pog mo thoin

Alain Kinsella
#96 - 2012-06-01 09:26:37 UTC
Ban Bindy wrote:
Nothing is going to stop gankers from joining your channel and filling it with disinformation, especially if it turns out to be successful. Announcing ganks where there are none, for instance. Plus knowing where they are doesn't do a lot to stop them.

I once spent a couple of evenings warning people that there was a gate camp in Amamake, with alts sitting on both sides of the gate, calling out ship numbers and ship types. I saved almost nobody. Even when warned, players still jumped into the gate camp like lemmings, and died. I have a feeling this exercise will be a lot like that one. But it's worth a try.


If it does take off, he'll be able to take some of the better intel into Alliance chat instead. Still not perfect, but nothing is in EvE (unless you know all involved IRL, and even then it may not be 100% perfect).

"The Meta Game does not stop at the game. Ever."

Currently Retired / Semi-Casual (pending changes to RL concerns).
Alain Kinsella
#97 - 2012-06-01 09:29:21 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
I don't think this will work as you will never reach the larger mining community that does not participate on the forums.

You would be better advising miners to join a wormhole or null sec corp where they can mine something better than veldspar.


Perhaps, but find enough people and it will trickle eventually. No large Null holding today got that way overnight, neither will this.

+1 to the plan btw, I'll be watching with interest.

"The Meta Game does not stop at the game. Ever."

Currently Retired / Semi-Casual (pending changes to RL concerns).
Hermia
HIVE
Memento Moriendo
#98 - 2012-06-01 09:48:41 UTC
Great to see this thread,

This is a really good incentive, hope it gains traction. Its unfortunate that the people reading these forums are probably not the ones needing help. Fit loudspeakers on ships people! Explain the goon menace and stop buying Hulks.
Lexmana
#99 - 2012-06-01 09:51:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Lexmana
I support this product and/or service. This is what emergent game play is all about. Props for trying. And if successful, I think it might enhance the new player experience (for those that join) if they become aware of the ganking going on before they experience it first hand. It may even recruit one or two to the other side too.
Beckie DeLey
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#100 - 2012-06-01 10:04:39 UTC
Wow, VV is really shitting up this and other threads the last few days. What happened, i used ot enjoy your posts in MD quite a bit. Sold your character?

My siren's name is Brick and she is the prettiest.