Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Hi,

i have some ideas to "fix" the 0.01isk game, which are quite simple and reflect proved real world market behavior. So why need the 0.01isk game fixing? Basically this mechanic does in no way represent real market behavior and simple does one thing. The station trader, that is online the most will get "served" first. This means instead of competing by prices and supply&demand they mainly compete by online time and a broken game mechanic. Basically the top 5-10% of orders of any good in eve has the "same" price. This is because the market system will still distinct by this 0,01isk difference. The problem here is that the price should go up and down more often depending on competing orders, in reality they compete just for the first spot in the line, but not by price.

Compare this with real world systems like resource market or auction systems, the key is that in real world markets the value by which a offer is increased or decreased reflects a "meaningfully" value. This means u wont see 100 orange juice traders sitting 24h and yelling "10000,03..... 10000,02.... 10000,01....". Likewise in an auction there are minimum value set for bids as well, so no at sotherbee they wont go "1m,01$ ... 1m,02$.....", since the minimum increase value is set appropriate.
A good example are real world fuel prices of directly competing gas stations. Here the base price is around 1-5$ and the value is increased, decreased by at least a cent, which still represents mainly just a "incentive", but the consumed amount and frequency is high enough to make a actual difference. So a item worth a million should go up/down accordingly, by at least 0.1-0.3% of its vale, which would be 10k-30k and not by 0.000001% of its value.
In real world if 2 gas stations would differ by only 0.00001% the price would be perceived as identically and other factors would play a higher role, like location or brand. Since no such things in eve exists, the price mechanic needs to work even more reasonable.


So simply add a minimum increase/decrease step value based on the price. The idea is simply that a competitor has to increase, decrease the price by a meaningfully minimum amount, that will result in a human perceivable lowered, raised and therefor better offer. This way prices should go up/down more frequently, instead of sitting at a fixed value.

The second change, is the increase of the brokers free, to a % value based on the value or a "meaningful" fee. 100isk is basically free for any player. Meaningful is a value that gets incorporated by market tools or in spreadsheets. I doubt anyone calculates how often he changes orders and therefor sums up all the "change" costs.

The basic idea of those changes are to result in a actual "conscious" interaction with the market system instead of a "unconscious" (click, wheel-up, enter) one. Basically raising and lowering a order should be a process that reflects some actual "strategical" reasoning, instead of a mechanical reflex.

bye Andy

You should not try to restrict the behavior of a free market as it stops being free at a certain point.

Its easy, if you dont like 0,01 isk games, just increase yours offers by how much you want, for example by 1 000 isk.

Im no market pro, but i have seen quite often strategy to increase by 10,01 isk, so that other biders will increase by only 0,02 and you will still be on top. And its not the only strategy out there.

In real life you too arent restricted by how much you can increase. Even if it may seem pointless to do by 0,01$ on car with 100 000$ worth, you still can do it. Soo yours example have no value.

Really nothing broken here.

They only way you fix it is the " modify market order" charges full sales tax and broker charges every time a change is done. Then you have real life experience. They also could remove modify market order and make you cancel your order and place it back new.

Rather than buy the cheapest among those half-dozen, pay the extra .01-.05 and buy the one with the lowest quantity. Taking stacks off the market helps declutter stuff.

If u did not notice, it is not about getting outbid at all. I have no problem being outbid in real life or ingame, but repeat after me "outbid" now compare real world "outbid" with Price X + 0.00001%. In real life no such auction system exists, therefor i was not "outbid" i was simply outcamped.

Also ofc there is nothing wrong with people playing longer, therefor making more isk i never said otherwise. I simply explained why the mechanic involved in eve's market system don't correctly result in the "normal" real world patterns and how changing it could make it more dynamic and interesting and actually could involve skill, rather than camping.
Also u say "playing" i say mindless "camping" your orders, since click+wheel+enter is not actually "playing", but keep arguments coming i'm all for a solid and constructive discussion here.

U don't have to continue reading, if u don't like a healthy discussion in a "suggestion forum" than don't answer, also don't insult your own and my intelligence, by reverting to those poorly picked and oversimplification statements. Btw most "working" game auction system's are build upon real world examples, since actually this makes a lot of sense balance wise.

U did notice that nearly the whole eve economy and market system simulates real world behavior quite nicely, in its limitations? It's simply about improving those systems and making them more interesting game wise.

you suggestion wouldnt add something to my playing experience. Its pretty irrelevant from this standpoint if I would have to adjust orders by 0.01 ISK or by 1000 ISK. All it would to is cutting into my profits.
So basically the same work for less profits -> GTFO

oki show me a commodity market entry or history, where the price change is just 0.0001% and changed by this amount 100 times a minute?

The same problem that was solved in Contract auctions. It wasn't implemented on Market simply because it was already in existence and overlooked.