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Why care bears need Hulkaggeddon
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Oddball Six
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2012-05-30 03:10:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Oddball Six
Kimmi Chan wrote:


Correct me if I am wrong Oddball but I seem to recall someone stating that your recent pod loss to Kaeda Maxwell was the first time you have been pod-killed in 3ish years? So assuming you make, lets say 5m isk/hr in the Hulk you were recently relieved of and assume you mine 4 hrs/day. In those 3ish years you made 21,900,000,000 ISK and then got killed, came to the forums and waved your hands at CCP that there is no justice in the game... Really?

To answer your question if you make an area of this game that is 100% safe, EVERY miner in the game who chants "No-PVP" will be in the area that is 100% safe making 21,900,000,000 every 3 years with NO risk - again NO risk. Do you feel you are entitled to profit in this manner? Don't you think that will be crowded? It'll be like a damned clown car and if your play time is not from 1130-1530 GMT every day - there won't be any belts for you to mine. EVER.



First, you are quite generous! I wish I had that kind of time. At the same time I would suggest that 21 billion ISK over 3 years really is not exactly the greatest amount of money in the game world, is it? And I have yet to complain that there is no justice in the game, rather my complaint is that external groups of players are manipulating the game in ways that it was clearly designed against, and then apparently not enforcing the safeguards which theoretically proscribe such play. Regardless, the point of the rewards of my specific play and even the details of my specific is irrelevant in the instant conversation.

Which gets me to my next thought: you really didn't squarely address either element of my question.

Is not every miner in the game who chants "No PVP" already in high sec mining? Yet belts continue to have ore. The game continues to grind forward, and CCP has not imploded. By your argument and many of your fellows, these folks are already nearly working with impunity with a net profit of 19billion or so isk in that timeframe by the pattern I have been able to play the game through.

So how does the game change so fundamentally that ostensibly it will crash to the ground and we will all be crying over its ashes next year were CCP to take action on the points raised in the forum recently?


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I guess we will have to just disagree. I disagree by the use of Hybrid Blasters. You disagree by screaming for justice on an internet spaceships game forum.

Regards


Actually, you disagree by posting on a forum about how I am wrong and stupid and apparently incompetent at literary argument as well. I disagree by posting on a forum about how the manufacturer of the game has yet to consider or apply strategy or clearly stated balance or opinion on recent developments in the game.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#22 - 2012-05-30 03:12:31 UTC
Tar Noguchi wrote:


The game died. It died of a cancer.



No, it died of EverQuest.
Maya Shouna
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-05-30 03:12:54 UTC
Ruoken Outamon wrote:
Selinate wrote:
I've played both demons souls and dark souls before. People who complain about involuntary PvP should try those games and see how fun it is to get bumrushed by a pyromancer flame spammer running up behind you while you're fighting giant monsters of d00m...


Thanks for your irrelevant story? I love Dark Souls as much as everyone else, but there's a difference between getting caught off guard by some asshat in the Darkwraith covenant before a boss or something and getting attacked by 3 or 4 destroyers while you're AFK mining.


Underlined the important part....
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#24 - 2012-05-30 03:31:25 UTC
Oddball Six wrote:
Is not every miner in the game who chants "No PVP" already in high sec mining? Yet belts continue to have ore. The game continues to grind forward, and CCP has not imploded.


Your original scenario was to limit PVP to areas with a sec status of less than 0.8. 0.8 and higher is strictly NO-PVP. That being the case, what possible reason would you or any other risk-averse miner have to go into 0.7 of lower? About the same as you have of going into 0.4 or less. There is a reason that gankers come to high sec to shoot at you. Some claim it is for fun, isk, lulz, GSF, or any other damned reason but the secret truth is this.

Your risk-averse nature prohibits you from coming to low-sec/null-sec.

This makes it difficult for pirates to make income off of what they enjoy. So since you don't come to low-sec, they come to high-sec. Surprise!

We'll call this the Willie Sutton effect. Why do gankers come to high sec to gank people? Because that's where the targets are.

What you are proposing is building a wall to isolate you from the thugs and this criminal element and because of the risk averse nature that keeps you out of low sec, you and your kind will stay on the safe cozy side of that wall making ISK with no sacrifice whatsoever. And because your kind also spouts off about how they're the majority (what is it now 70% living in high sec?) what happens when you move 70% of the population into a smaller area of space? 70% of the population occupying let's estimate 60% less space. Gratz on creating another 30-40 Jitas with LIMITED resources being consumed by more and more consumers.

In addition, where does the thug go for targets then? If the thug has no targets and no one gets killed, why build ships, and if no one builds ships, what need for minerals and what need for miners?

The thug works within the gaming elements to enjoy their time and sometimes turn a profit. Your kind wants to just change the gaming elements to suit your selfish, self-centered, risk averse existence.

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Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-05-30 03:31:55 UTC
If the carebears are all leaving (just like you say you want them to) Why are you trolling so hard?

Good-Bye Carebears. I hope you find a game more to your liking.

Worse case scenario, EVE drops to 75K subs (like UO did) but they will true EVE players, hard and PvP ready. Isn't that what this is all about?

Truth, PvPers in EVE need carebears. The PvP system falls apart when it's super alliance against super alliance. That's why -A- and Goons aren't in a full scale war. Both sides would lose.

Truth hurts, don't it?
Maya Shouna
Doomheim
#26 - 2012-05-30 03:34:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Maya Shouna
Sisohiv wrote:

Truth, PvPers in EVE need carebears. The PvP system falls apart when it's super alliance against super alliance. That's why -A- and Goons aren't in a full scale war. Both sides would lose.

Truth hurts, don't it?


so the 4 dead iterations of bob, the original 'invinciblesuperalliances' have caused the pvp system to fall apart? the dead drf? the dead nc?
Maya Shouna
Doomheim
#27 - 2012-05-30 03:36:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Maya Shouna
:double post:
Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2012-05-30 03:39:01 UTC
Maya Shouna wrote:
Sisohiv wrote:

Truth, PvPers in EVE need carebears. The PvP system falls apart when it's super alliance against super alliance. That's why -A- and Goons aren't in a full scale war. Both sides would lose.

Truth hurts, don't it?


so the 4 dead bob 'invinciblesuperalliances' have caused the pvp system to fall apart? the dead drf? the dead nc?


They died of boredom. Defending their borders from ghosts.

Everyone knows it.
Maya Shouna
Doomheim
#29 - 2012-05-30 03:42:50 UTC
Sisohiv wrote:
Maya Shouna wrote:
Sisohiv wrote:

Truth, PvPers in EVE need carebears. The PvP system falls apart when it's super alliance against super alliance. That's why -A- and Goons aren't in a full scale war. Both sides would lose.

Truth hurts, don't it?


so the 4 dead bob 'invinciblesuperalliances' have caused the pvp system to fall apart? the dead drf? the dead nc?


They died of boredom. Defending their borders from ghosts.

Everyone knows it.


lol. This doesn't eve need a comment it demeans it's self
if you die of boredom you donlt reform 4 times with the same people to do the same thing.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#30 - 2012-05-30 03:43:18 UTC
Sisohiv wrote:
Maya Shouna wrote:
Sisohiv wrote:

Truth, PvPers in EVE need carebears. The PvP system falls apart when it's super alliance against super alliance. That's why -A- and Goons aren't in a full scale war. Both sides would lose.

Truth hurts, don't it?

so the 4 dead bob 'invinciblesuperalliances' have caused the pvp system to fall apart? the dead drf? the dead nc?


They died of boredom. Defending their borders from ghosts.

Everyone knows it.

Actually -A- came by a few times.

As I understand it, Boat was really gleeful to drop fleets on them. Hours were spent sitting on titans as they refused to attack towards the obvious cyno ship.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Maya Shouna
Doomheim
#31 - 2012-05-30 03:44:54 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Sisohiv wrote:
[quote=Maya Shouna][quote=Sisohiv]

Everyone knows it.

Actually -A- came by a few times.

As I understand it, Boat was really gleeful to drop fleets on them. Hours were spent sitting on titans as they refused to attack towards the obvious cyno ship.


camp gates with aoe doomsdays everyday, oh for the -A- of yore
Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-05-30 04:03:00 UTC
Maya Shouna wrote:
Sisohiv wrote:
Maya Shouna wrote:
Sisohiv wrote:

Truth, PvPers in EVE need carebears. The PvP system falls apart when it's super alliance against super alliance. That's why -A- and Goons aren't in a full scale war. Both sides would lose.

Truth hurts, don't it?


so the 4 dead bob 'invinciblesuperalliances' have caused the pvp system to fall apart? the dead drf? the dead nc?


They died of boredom. Defending their borders from ghosts.

Everyone knows it.


lol. This doesn't eve need a comment it demeans it's self
if you die of boredom you donlt reform 4 times with the same people to do the same thing.


Sure you do. What else is there to do in EVE?
Annabelle Ember
Kavashikari
#33 - 2012-05-30 04:04:26 UTC
Oddball Six wrote:
I would also be curious how you see the game remaining economically sustainable in real life in the face of "carebearism" dying and the players that go along with it leaving the game?


You keep bringing up this point in every thread I stumble into. But... hasn't EVE been a pretty unforgiving PvP game for last 9+ years?

Looks economically sustainable to me. This is hardly the first time a bunch of miners have gotten blown up in EVE's history.

Shoot back. Preferably in-game, rather than on the forum. ;)
Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-05-30 04:04:40 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Sisohiv wrote:
Maya Shouna wrote:
Sisohiv wrote:

Truth, PvPers in EVE need carebears. The PvP system falls apart when it's super alliance against super alliance. That's why -A- and Goons aren't in a full scale war. Both sides would lose.

Truth hurts, don't it?

so the 4 dead bob 'invinciblesuperalliances' have caused the pvp system to fall apart? the dead drf? the dead nc?


They died of boredom. Defending their borders from ghosts.

Everyone knows it.

Actually -A- came by a few times.

As I understand it, Boat was really gleeful to drop fleets on them. Hours were spent sitting on titans as they refused to attack towards the obvious cyno ship.


Exactly my point.
The fights were a non-starter. The initiative was there but it evaporated and became high noon at the saloon.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#35 - 2012-05-30 04:08:11 UTC
So.... um...... what about the carebears in nullsec?


Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2012-05-30 04:10:51 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
So.... um...... what about the carebears in nullsec?


If they're undocked, shoot them. Simple as.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Merovee
Gorthaur Legion
Imperium Mordor
#37 - 2012-05-30 04:30:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Merovee
Mining would suck without that nagging glance over the shoulder every time someone jumps into the system you are mining in. If you can't handle the stress find a quieter system.

I use to rat low sec for years it was fun for a while but made no money, it was alright I would find a 0.1 and do it till they found me and I would find another. Now I mine in hi-sec with two accounts.

Now I like high-sec, I haven't played in it since the first 6 months of 03 but you still need the risk from human players or the game doesn't give you that high of logging in not knowing if this is the day you going to get whacked.

Please CCP DO NOT dumb down EVE X

Empire, the next new world order.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#38 - 2012-05-30 04:32:56 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
So.... um...... what about the carebears in nullsec?

If they're undocked, shoot them. Simple as.

Pretty much. If you catch one, point it and DEEPS it to death, you'll get your killmail.

And try to get the pod if you can. No sec status loss for podding !

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
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