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Why not respond to the new emergent gameplay?
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Harelip Jenkins
Swine Capitalism
#1 - 2012-05-30 01:56:33 UTC
Just out of curiosity, why not an organized response to the new Goon sponsored "emergent gameplay"?

There is going to be a sh*tpile of whine coming in response to the Goons indefinite extension of Hulkageddon.

Why not take two or three months away from mining and organize to respond to it by taking the fight to the goons. Most miners could easily get into a BC and could probably afford to buy several dozen.

Five or six thousand angry carebears shipped up to battlecruisers could be pretty annoying.

If anything it could be fun. What the hell else are you going to do... mine?

Just a thought
No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#2 - 2012-05-30 01:57:21 UTC
Headshot VFK.

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Maz Ngomo
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-05-30 01:57:57 UTC
Maybe because miners are interested in mining in the game, not PvP or ganking.

Just a thought.
Akiyo XI
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-05-30 01:58:43 UTC
There's never been a better time to start a war

Those who hold their profession sacred should fight to the death for it......NOW!

"the wise speak only of what they know"
Ituhata Saken
Killboard Padding Services
#5 - 2012-05-30 01:59:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Ituhata Saken
Hard to FC a carebear fleet when no one knows anything about combat ships other than they all can kill you. Big smile


EDIT: I was thinking today how cool it would be to hear about a massive pvp hulk fleet trying to force its way to VFK. I think I'd kill a midget to see the look on the first combat pilots face as local fills up with hundreds of carebears in hulk and then start yellowboxing him. It wouldnt matter if they all died, IMO it would be epic.

So close...
Jame Jarl Retief
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-05-30 02:00:07 UTC
Harelip Jenkins wrote:
Just out of curiosity, why not an organized response to the new Goon sponsored "emergent gameplay"?

There is going to be a sh*tpile of whine coming in response to the Goons indefinite extension of Hulkageddon.

Why not take two or three months away from mining and organize to respond to it by taking the fight to the goons. Most miners could easily get into a BC and could probably afford to buy several dozen.

Five or six thousand angry carebears shipped up to battlecruisers could be pretty annoying.

If anything it could be fun. What the hell else are you going to do... mine?

Just a thought


So, your solution for group A being harassed by group B is for group A to abandon their playstyle and adopt group B's playstyle?

By the same logic, Goons should be only attacking miners while flying mining barges themselves. And when I say "attacking" I of course mean "out-mining", not actually blowing up. See? It cuts both ways.
Ruoken Outamon
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-05-30 02:01:45 UTC
Honestly, the miners should be taking it to the players by killing any gankers until the gankers are forced to mine alongside them and make less money.

If miners were more innovative instead of playing like cattle, there'd be so much more opportunity!
Ituhata Saken
Killboard Padding Services
#8 - 2012-05-30 02:01:59 UTC
double post.....quote, edit. whatever.

So close...
Harelip Jenkins
Swine Capitalism
#9 - 2012-05-30 02:02:16 UTC
Jame Jarl Retief wrote:
Harelip Jenkins wrote:
Just out of curiosity, why not an organized response to the new Goon sponsored "emergent gameplay"?

There is going to be a sh*tpile of whine coming in response to the Goons indefinite extension of Hulkageddon.

Why not take two or three months away from mining and organize to respond to it by taking the fight to the goons. Most miners could easily get into a BC and could probably afford to buy several dozen.

Five or six thousand angry carebears shipped up to battlecruisers could be pretty annoying.

If anything it could be fun. What the hell else are you going to do... mine?

Just a thought


So, your solution for group A being harassed by group B is for group A to abandon their playstyle and adopt group B's playstyle?

By the same logic, Goons should be only attacking miners while flying mining barges themselves. And when I say "attacking" I of course mean "out-mining", not actually blowing up. See? It cuts both ways.


My solution is to do something about it when somebody takes a dump on you.

Morganta
The Greater Goon
#10 - 2012-05-30 02:03:57 UTC
hang in hot belt in crappy frig with no tank and a civi gun and sebo
target gankers
whoremail

enjoy the content provided by GSF
Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
True Reign
#11 - 2012-05-30 02:05:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Ban Bindy
Get into BCs and do what?

Hi-sec miners are an easy target because you know where to find them and you know they can't shoot back. What do you plan to do with 6,000 bcs? Who's going to coordinate them? You ready to take on the job? How do you find the gankers?

That's why Hulkageddon is the permanent event, and not Burn Jita. Everything is already set up for Hulkageddon to last forever. It's already been going on for six months or so, people just haven't given it a name before.

PVP in this game is mostly about the billboard, not at all about the fight. Killing miners makes your billboard look really healthy, and if you do the math right, you never lose anything that you don't know in advance you're going to lose.

Sitting in the belts and whoring on the killmails does nothing. Gankers already know they're going to lose their ships.
Jame Jarl Retief
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-05-30 02:08:27 UTC
Harelip Jenkins wrote:


My solution is to do something about it when somebody takes a dump on you.



Yeah...so when a large, well-funded military machine comes at you and start harassing you, your solution is to take the fight to them, on their own turf, where they have the home field advantage? Go read some Sun Tzu, mate. A smart miner won't fight. He'll quit mining, or better yet quit playing. When CCP looks at their plummeting bottom line, they'll do something. That's called economic warfare. Why shoot Goons when you can shoot CCP, and have them nuke Goons?
Harelip Jenkins
Swine Capitalism
#13 - 2012-05-30 02:11:36 UTC
...sigh...

this makes me want to gank miners
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2012-05-30 02:14:31 UTC
Jame Jarl Retief wrote:
Go read some Sun Tzu, mate.


lol

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Ituhata Saken
Killboard Padding Services
#15 - 2012-05-30 02:18:13 UTC
Ban Bindy wrote:
Get into BCs and do what?

Hi-sec miners are an easy target because you know where to find them and you know they can't shoot back. What do you plan to do with 6,000 bcs? Who's going to coordinate them? You ready to take on the job? How do you find the gankers?



In all seriousness you just need one guy who has a calm voice, knows how to call fleet align, warp, hold, jump and primary, and has the balls to tell all the whiny carebears in channel to STFU and listen. You've already been given your roaming destination...

Quote:
Headshot VFK.


There you have it. If nothing else, do it for the lulz. If you actually had 6k BC's you could have your way with any force you came across because you'd probably lock the system down with soul crushing lag.

So close...
Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
#16 - 2012-05-30 02:19:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Vicky Somers
The thing is...

Every time a pve/indy corp gets aggressed through a war dec or whatever and they decide to fight back, the following happens. They get together with the whole bunch in frigates, cruisers, bcs and the odd battleship. Then they strap on the faliest fit they can find on battleclinic. With much zeal, motivation, numbers and the idea that their enemy is outnumbered and outgunned they undock. And then, they learn that they know nothing about session timers, tracking, range, ewar, logistics, aggression, ship types, gun types, range of missiles, ammo, etc... And then they die miserably. Which isn't such a bad thing because we all have to start somewhere, but your average person who is forced to participate in pvp sees this differently. Smack ensues, followed by tear extraction and a **** storm occurs on the forums.

Not saying that this is the case with all pve corps. But getting solo miners to engage in any form of organized pvp is a sure way to set sail for fail. Especially if their target is supposed to be a null alliance like the goons. What good can come from this, other than more attention whoring the forums?
Ituhata Saken
Killboard Padding Services
#17 - 2012-05-30 02:22:27 UTC
Vicky Somers wrote:
The thing is...



Someone should fraps it and post it proudly.

So close...
Harelip Jenkins
Swine Capitalism
#18 - 2012-05-30 02:28:05 UTC
Vicky Somers wrote:
The thing is...

Every time a pve/indy corp gets aggressed through a war dec or whatever and they decide to fight back, the following happens. They get together with the whole bunch in frigates, cruisers, bcs and the odd battleship. Then they strap on the faliest fit they can find on battleclinic. With much zeal, motivation, numbers and the idea that their enemy is outnumbered and outgunned they undock. And then, they learn that they know nothing about session timers, tracking, range, ewar, logistics, aggression, ship types, gun types, range of missiles, ammo, etc... And then they die miserably. Which isn't such a bad thing because we all have to start somewhere, but your average person who is forced to participate in pvp sees this differently. Smack ensues, followed by tear extraction and a **** storm occurs on the forums.

Not saying that this is the case with all pve corps. But getting solo miners to engage in any form of organized pvp is a sure way to set sail for fail. Especially if their target is supposed to be a null alliance like the goons. What good can come from this, other than more attention whoring the forums?


Yes, but you might have a little fun getting blown up. Who really gives a sh*t about forum e-peen?

From what I can tell from the above comments, the following are the choices for miners at this point:


  1. Sit in station and cry
  2. Log out and cry on the forums
  3. Unsubscribe and cry
  4. Get blown up and cry


I'm starting to understand why blowing miners up is so much fun.
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2012-05-30 02:32:32 UTC
Harelip Jenkins wrote:
...sigh...

this makes me want to gank miners


Grab a Catalyst and have at it!

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#20 - 2012-05-30 02:33:03 UTC
Harelip Jenkins wrote:
[quote=Vicky Somers]Who really gives a sh*t about forum e-peen?

Goons
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