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Lilith Astarte
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-02-16 14:41:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Lilith Astarte
don't know if this is right thread, so moderators feel free to move my topic.

anyway, i have quite annoying problem when working with probes.
while aligning them on the X axis - or to be specific - while i'm aligning one probe left-right on X axis, the probe (occasionaly but not always) like to jump very far away to the right or left. looks like mouse got out of sync or whatever. sometime i work without problems, sometimes (like just right now) one of the probes starts going out of the screen at the very beginning of scanning session.
it's quite old behavior and i've changed several mouses since but it happens from time to time.
does anybody experienced anything similar and knows how to solve that?

thanks
drdxie
#2 - 2012-02-17 01:49:29 UTC
Happens to me too when I drag the probe on the arrow, but dragging the probe by the center square seems to stop it. Once they spread out use alt and drag so they all move together and you won't get the "jumping"probe.

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Zornia Estemaire
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-02-17 20:47:46 UTC
I too have that problem. Very annoying when it jumps completely off screen to the right or left. I also place my cursor on the center box to move it when it happens but that makes it hard to keep the arrows aligned when you move it in. Thought it had something to do with my mouse all this time. Glad I'm not the only one with this dilemma. Must be a bug. It seems to happen more as I'm narrowing down the location.
Lilith Astarte
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-02-21 13:27:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Lilith Astarte
thanks for the replies.
i also got the impression that it gets more often when getting closer to the subject, but the other day it started immediately when doing an initial arrangement of the probes. really annoying.
tried with dragging the center position" and it really helps. using ALT once the formation is created also helps bigtime.

however, it looks like a bug.
Kusum Fawn
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-03-08 04:20:04 UTC
it has a lot to do with which part of the probes you click on and even then occasionally you will move the mouse in a direction that eve thinks of as being on a different axis then you believe you are going to move in.

shifting the view to linear x or y and rotating z independently before probe movement, and moving probes in one axis at a time is key to keeping all your probes on screen.

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Liam Mirren
#6 - 2012-03-08 12:16:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Liam Mirren
I probe a LOT and have never seen this issue, ever and yes I drag probes by the arrows (as you should). If use drag them using the probe "body" then you effectively move them in 3rd meaning weird things can happen depending on the camera angle, but other than that I have no real explanation. I normally look from the side first and align probe elevation, then switch to top down view and do the two other axis.

Probing window can be a bit of a strain on the vidcard though (I can tell by GPU fan getting to work) when you have a bunch of them out, it could be that your PC is struggling to keep up?

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Lilith Astarte
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-03-08 12:46:32 UTC
i drag them by arrows only.
but i don't think the CPU is having trouble with 5 probes out. rather a bug somewhere between OS, mouse driver and EVE itself.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#8 - 2012-03-08 17:49:46 UTC
It may also have to do with the screen mode, and how the window is managed because of that. Are you using full screen, fixed window, or windowed mode?

I do a lot of scanning too, and I have not experienced this problem. I use fixed window.

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Lilith Astarte
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-03-08 18:58:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Lilith Astarte
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
I do a lot of scanning too, and I have not experienced this problem. I use fixed window.


tried with both windowed and fixed window mode with same bug behavior.
Nimrod vanHall
Van Mij Belastingvrij
#10 - 2012-03-09 13:49:32 UTC
I used to have simulair issues while probing when i ran eve on a duel boot windows linux machine. I will not go in to much technical details here. Eventually i solved the problem by removing my old drivers and installing proprietary video-card drivers.
Lilith Astarte
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-03-27 19:35:28 UTC
drdxie and Zornia (and others with same problem), do you use 64-bit windows perhaps? and which videocard?
mine is ATI 3870 on 64-bit windows - let's try to found similarities if there's any....
Waista
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-03-27 20:11:01 UTC
This only happens when you grab the arrow by its side. I wish CCP would make the arrows truly 3d and fix this behaviour.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-03-27 20:58:33 UTC
not really sure why people use the arrows...
so much easier and faster to use the body.

like Waista said, this issue happens if you dont grab the arrow fully on the correct face.

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drdxie
#14 - 2012-03-27 23:13:46 UTC  |  Edited by: drdxie
Lilith Astarte wrote:
drdxie and Zornia (and others with same problem), do you use 64-bit windows perhaps? and which videocard?
mine is ATI 3870 on 64-bit windows - let's try to found similarities if there's any....


I am running windows XP 32 bit on a IBM Lenovo thinkpad T400.. nothing fancy at all ..

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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#15 - 2012-03-27 23:23:20 UTC
I've found problems like this happen when I drag the probe off the edge of my screen in windowed mode.

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Smiling Menace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-03-28 14:03:04 UTC
I do a lot of scanning and I have also experienced this problem.

Usually when I am scanning in a hurry (why won't those reds stay still damn it!) and I drag from the side of the probe. Seems to think it should reverse direction. I usually just let go and click again on the arrow. Bit of a pain if you are in a hurry though.
Lilith Astarte
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-03-29 21:03:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Lilith Astarte
contacted CCP regarding the issue but they didn't been able to find out what could be producing that behavior.
i made a short movie http://youtu.be/u0oMXGoVUs0 - examiners, pay attention to how moving on Y axis is going okay but when i try to move the probe by grabbing the arrow on its side (flank, let's say) then the show begins. i must repeat again, this is not happening all the time. sometimes the whole scanning process goes without a hassle, sometimes the show begins at first second. no rule. or i didn't notice any rules :) yet
Metal Icarus
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#18 - 2012-03-29 21:28:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Metal Icarus
I love scanning, but after working all day on a computer the endless adjustments that I have to do to get the scan right the first time is annoying and it hurts my finger.

What I want: true 3d environment (with glasses or special monitor) and a 3d mouse (got one, and I am pretty sure I can get it work the way I want, but its to complicated and requires a plethera of tinkering and custom drivers)

OR

3 minimaps that show the whole system from X, Y and Z that zoom in with my mouse. I look at a planet, the maps show that planet from X, Y and Z.

FIX IT NAO
Dieter Rams
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-05-29 19:56:47 UTC
Lilith Astarte wrote:
contacted CCP regarding the issue but they didn't been able to find out what could be producing that behavior.
i made a short movie http://youtu.be/u0oMXGoVUs0 - examiners, pay attention to how moving on Y axis is going okay but when i try to move the probe by grabbing the arrow on its side (flank, let's say) then the show begins. i must repeat again, this is not happening all the time. sometimes the whole scanning process goes without a hassle, sometimes the show begins at first second. no rule. or i didn't notice any rules :) yet


Well done! Any update on this?