EVE General Discussion

This is essentially what I've been trying to point out.

We love EVE because it's possible to do almost anything. One group of people trying to make certain things impossible to do, however, is just as bad as a rule that states the same thing. There's a huge difference between nullsec alliances attacking each others' supply chains (which is sound strategic doctrine) and trying to basically make mining illegal everywhere.

After you drive off all the miners, what's next? Industrial ships? Go after the traders, too, because no one should be able to move their stuff around? And then comes the missioners, right? Where does it end? The inmates running the asylum doesn't always work out. Some of the inmates, even though they're still inmates, just want to be left alone.

If you fill the sandbox with raw sewage, no one is going to want to play with you unless they enjoy being covered in ****.

My heart bleeds for the miners who dont want to fit a tank to their ships because it messes with thie max yeild. Perhaps this is the kick in the balls they need to understand the dark and harsh place they are in.

All it takes is N + 1 Catalysts to finish any ship in the game. If your argument boils down to that you have no valid argument.

If you survive an inital attack because you mounted a good tank, you would be an idiot to go back to the same belt or stay there when the gankers come back to finish the job. Again, this applies to ANY ship in the game as well.

Your job is to be alert, keep track of real or potential threats, communicate with like minded people to share vital information, fit for either defense or evasion while still maintaining viable profitability, and use the correct ship and fittings for the threat level of the area you intend to operate with, modify your tactics used to be approprate to the situation (evasion/defense/or pure yield).

Just like every other profession in the game that involves undocking.

Use a Hulk when/where appropriate, use a lower grade exhumer when/where appropriate, use a miner equipped BS or mining cruiser/frigate when/where appropriate... in other words use the same amount of brain power everyone else is required to use to be successful.

It takes n catalysts to kill a titan, buff titans

OP....


You are a Fkn Tard and hopefully you posted on your main :)
cya soon

That "poisonous" atmosphere is the very thing that made EVE a success. If you want security it is up to the player to find a way to achieve it and/or enforce it. Until miners realize that to be successful they must work together in an organized fashion they are not going to be successful.

I know what you are saying, and yes you are far more reasonable than most of the High Sec dwellers posting in this thread, but you have to understand that players that mine for a profession have the exact same toolset and capabilities at their disposal as the people that prefer suicide ganking as their profession.

The main difference between the average suicide ganker and the average miner is the level of thought and organization invested in playing this game.

If you think the "bad guys" are getting away with too much, you have the tools available to do something about it.

Its always your job to look after yourself.

This will never, never happen.
The kind of player attracted by mining is exactly the guy who does not want or cannot play organized, cannot be hard core, will not train many skills to 5 just to use one of the loltank Hulks fits posted on GD.

If they wanted or could work together and organized, then they would not mine at all.

Also, once they are organized, what are they going to do? Cloakie warps in 4 catalysts on this organized guy, and then? BOOM popped like the most random guy.

The only organization that can come close to that is to have mercs / allies sit 8 hours a day (so much for the lowest pay profession getting to pay mercs) and be totally ready to shoot to blinky catalysts the second they appear.

Even in stations you are not safe from pvp. God I love this game.

I actually do agree with you that highsec players, for the most part, lack the coordination and cohesion to defend themselves properly; unfortunately, the game mechanics in highsec don't promote that kind of organization, and indeed many new players don't even know it exists.

I don't just want the nullsec players' attitudes to change, I would like the attitudes of highsec players to change as well. Hulkageddon is a means to that end as well. I just don't agree with the method. That amount of negative reinforcement isn't the best option in the long term. What we should all be trying to accomplish is to encourage all players, not just those in nullsec, to band together for common goals.

As I think about it while participating in this thread, I get the increasing feeling that NPC corps are a huge part of the problem. But, there's also the fact that player corporations in highsec have limited tools to defend themselves and limited options for organization. Theoretically, let's say that NPC corps went away and new players and highsec dwellers had to find player-owned groups to join, maybe even going as far as to make most NPC stations inaccessible. And, the player corporations would be capable of recognizing most of the advantages of being organized - that is to say, unrestricted anchoring, jump bridges (perhaps inside their forcefields and only from one starbase to another), and such. They would, of course, not have sovereignty benefits and would still lack access to capital ships. Now, the move from highsec to lowsec to nullsec (although lowsec also needs help) becomes fluid. The mechanics of being a player don't change, and of course the risks and rewards scale properly.

Right now, carebears don't live in highsec. Think about reversing the causality. Highsec BREEDS carebears, especially the kind that stay in NPC corps or make their own for tax evasion purposes, and highsec doesn't provide any incentive for players to work together. The incentive to work together to accomplish things should be everywhere, in every system, and instilled in the heart of every player, whether they want to work together to strip a roid belt, bash a POS, or crash a mining op.

My specific idea is completely irrelevant, since changing mechanics is up to CCP. But that's what I mean by changing attitudes. EVE won't be any less brutal or any less dangerous, but there will be more parity in the ability of players to defend themselves reach their goals, and ultimately have fun. The atmosphere of the game can be dangerous and tension-filled without being venomous.