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Playing without voice comms

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Ronald Azizora
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-05-27 23:19:24 UTC
I'm a fairly inexperienced Eve player and wanted to ask some advice:

Eve seems great, really great and I discovered early on that PvP is where the fun is so joined a PvP corp.

These guys seemed great but required voice comms. Now for (good) RL reasons I cannot use a mic, but can listen only, which they said was fine, however, because they were so reliant on voice comms they kinda neglected to read corp chat so I quickly felt a tad "out of touch", which made me sad puppy.

So to cut a long story short, does any1 know where good pvp can be had, but where corp comms is via text, or does this not happen as its so much easier to use Teamspeak.

Thanks for any help.

PS Excuse the alt post but I don't want to upset the guys who took me on early. Totally not their fault things didnt work.
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#2 - 2012-05-27 23:26:30 UTC
Not really, using text chat to PVP is like trying to take on a modern naval battleship with a wooden one. Of the few that might actually do it that way none of them will likely get anywhere significant.

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Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#3 - 2012-05-27 23:30:42 UTC
I literally spoke once on comms and it was very brief. Every roam we have I'm just listening and writing on fleet chat and nobody has a problem with that, in fact quite a few r1ftas just listen. And we never have any problems with communication because FC is talking, scouts are talking and that's all needed for fleet to work. But we kinda play in the same team so everybody pay attention to fleet chat. Your corpies seems to have different idea what team really is about so ditch them and find a new corp.

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#4 - 2012-05-27 23:31:48 UTC
Oh geez, I hope it's not us. We have some people with this situation.

Yeah, socializing is difficult if everything goes on via voice comms. I've been in the situation myself. PvP is very attached to voice comms, since typing is too slow and takes away from combat responsiveness, and having a fleet that doesn't use voice gives you an inherent disadvantage compared to the ones that do.

The one instance I can think of where this is not strictly necessary is large fleet fights (100+ people per side), where being quiet is actually required. That's not very exciting PvP though in my opinion.

In short, you may be boned. Sorry.

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Johnny Augustus
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-05-28 05:16:10 UTC
Sadly enough, you might be a bit screwed on this issue. Voice comms aren't only extremely useful for pvp situations in this game, but socialisation as well.

For most people it's just so much easier to talk than to type. Voice comms allow you to be chatting with someone while your doing something,instead of having to stop inputting commands until you finish typing your sentence. For small gang PVP people will often be too busy to notice you typing something in the fleet chat, while being able to hear and understand the voice comms easily.

I don't know what your circumstances are. In any case, you have my sympathy, since I have complications with voice comms myself. I have a speech impediment; I stutter. Often it actually will be quicker for me to type something in chat instead of trying to say it out loud. I ran into (and continue to run into) a lot of the same problems as you do. I eventually felt brave enough to be able to speak up on the comms, and realised emotionally what I knew intellectually already: Most people didn't care. Pretty soon we shooting the **** on comms nad just hanging out.

Of course, now that my main is corpless again, I'll probably run into the same damn problem when I eventually get around to joining a corp again.P

In my advice, you have three options:

1. Sort out whatever RL reasons you have for not being able to use a mic, if it's possible.

This is obviously the best option, and one that depending on those RL reasons you have can be quite intimidating. But if you can sort out those reasons, I think you'll be the happier for it.

2. Deal with it.

If you can't sort out those RL reasons, than you're just going to have to resign yourself to dealing with these problems indefinately. As said, voice comms are very important to a pvp corp, and you're going to be hard pressed to find a corp that doesn't rely on them heavily.

3. Find something else to do that isn't so dependent on voice comms.

This is probably the crappiest option, but it's probably you only other option. If you really want to continue doing PVP, you could join a null sec corp and join in those 100+ man fleet fights in a giantic blob, but I don't think that's quite the kind of pvp you'd enjoy. Failing that, there's other careers in EVE.

No matter what you do, I wish you luck.
Mocam
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-05-29 10:23:27 UTC
The uni is a big corporation - listening on comms is important but talking -- very optional.

Many smaller groups can end up doing what you saw - "just talk" and anything else isn't important but when you have 20-50 people in a chat channel (for fleet ops, sometimes over 300), you sure as hell don't want everyone talking over each other and lulz jokes tend to get squelched fast.

Too much intel is lost when people don't pay attention to text channels in larger organizations. As such, those channels can be just as vital as voice for sending and receiving information (and socializing).

So if you want to join a group, I'd advise stick larger. Larger groups cannot have everyone chatting all at the same time so the members learn to read, listen and talk vs just talking and listen.
TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-05-29 12:07:28 UTC
Coms relay faster via voice than the do text so pretty much every corp worth anything will use voice coms.

As for not wanting to speak, most of the fleet should be listening only anyhow so there really shouldn't be an issue.

I'd be interested to know what the real life issue with a mic is though. I used to be quiet on coms and not like talking\speaking up etc. then I realised that I'm surrounded by boobs, retards and fuckwads who I'm way more awesome than.

that made it easy to talk constantly on coms :)
Sugar Kyle
Middle Ground
#8 - 2012-05-29 14:39:41 UTC
Its doable. Just find another group. Explain to whomever why you can not speak. As long as you can listen you can keep up in battle. Once everyone is used to you and you have integrated fully with the group, it will be fine that you are not speaking. It may limit some of your roles due to the need to relay information.

We are very much a coms/chat group and tend to have two completely separate conversations going on at the same time. One guy can rarely speak. Therefore, he does not scout. He knows his stuff and does what he is told when he is told.

Plus, when the pewpew is happening its about listening.

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Logahmmed Chance
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-05-30 03:13:55 UTC
Whenever I'm in fleet, I'll speak a little, but usually I'm following orders. As someone who may never play this game long enough to be in a command situation, it doesn't seem to really affect me. If I'm on comms it usually means I'm lost.

But from what I've encountered, voice chat seems to function more as a quick way for commands to get to you. Being able to hear the commander is important.

Though, if you're planning on being a scout, you should probably cancel that idea. Also if you're a tackler, because by then everyone's too engaged to pay attention to chat, so they won't see that you've webbed the target until someone physically sees it in the game.

If talking is not a thing you can do, but listening is, there are still quite a few roles for you. It's just a matter of finding it.
Ilnaurk Sithdogron
Blackwater International
#10 - 2012-05-30 11:25:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Ilnaurk Sithdogron
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
Coms relay faster via voice than the do text so pretty much every corp worth anything will use voice coms.

As for not wanting to speak, most of the fleet should be listening only anyhow so there really shouldn't be an issue.

I'd be interested to know what the real life issue with a mic is though. I used to be quiet on coms and not like talking\speaking up etc. then I realised that I'm surrounded by boobs, retards and fuckwads who I'm way more awesome than.

that made it easy to talk constantly on coms :)


Yeah, I had this issue in another game, but it was more because I was around a bunch of retired army personell. Took me about a week to actually start talking in comms and once I did, I discovered that I really liked most of those guys, and that they had personalities behind the technical jargon they were constantly spouting. (Said game was ArmA2, an infantry sim game with a lot of vehicles.) Don't be scared to talk in chat, people tend to be very nice.

The reason why people use voice comms is that it's the only efficient way to get information quickly and clearly across to friendlies without having to break your attention on a dangerous situation. When you type, you have to basically leave your ship's fate to the EVE gods until you take your hands off the keyboard, and you can't respond very effectively to new threats. It simply slows everything down.

But now my mic is broken so I have to rely on my computer's built-in microphone thingy, which is terrible.

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Disastro
Wrecking Shots
#11 - 2012-05-30 11:36:40 UTC
Ronald Azizora wrote:
I'm a fairly inexperienced Eve player and wanted to ask some advice:

Eve seems great, really great and I discovered early on that PvP is where the fun is so joined a PvP corp.

These guys seemed great but required voice comms. Now for (good) RL reasons I cannot use a mic, but can listen only, which they said was fine, however, because they were so reliant on voice comms they kinda neglected to read corp chat so I quickly felt a tad "out of touch", which made me sad puppy.

So to cut a long story short, does any1 know where good pvp can be had, but where corp comms is via text, or does this not happen as its so much easier to use Teamspeak.

Thanks for any help.

PS Excuse the alt post but I don't want to upset the guys who took me on early. Totally not their fault things didnt work.


Most corps/alliances do all the real fleet communication via team speak or mumble. Fleet chat and corp chat are generally used for socializing or whatever. Sometimes the fleet chat will be used for xing up, giving folks the watch lists, warp ins, and other valuable info. Being able to listen on comms should be fine for most situations unless, of course, they need you to scout or lead a gang.

I do agree with the comments about socializing in corp. Without a mic you are missing out on 2/3 of the enjoyment of the game.