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Drake changes from CSM minutes.
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Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#321 - 2012-05-28 13:31:33 UTC
Remember the reloading times and how does that affect the dps

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7
Lili Lu
#322 - 2012-05-28 14:00:36 UTC
Kalel Nimrott wrote:
Tor Gungnir wrote:
Kalel Nimrott wrote:
Question, what other t1 BC can tank a c3 wh?
If this change keeps the same "spirit" for c3, then I'm fine with it. That is the personal side of my post.

The logical side is, we already have a BS tanking BC size, the Drake. Recently CCP introduced a BS dps BC size boat, the naga.
Seems to me that changes in the drake only tips the balace to one side, the pvp side. Then again, this may be a new tendecie for the caldari pilots.


Then were is the Minmatar tank? Your argument doesn't hold water since each faction has the T3 BC, but not a T3 tanker.


Your argument doesn't hold water couse I was talking about Caldari, no other factions. I wont get into that aegument since I don't fly them, tho I would like it very much. But since you mention it, the could change it so that Tier 2 (and not T2) would be every faction tankers and Tier 3 (not T3) would be the dps dealer. But it just a thought.


Congrats Kalel you are making the case for a Drake nerf quite well. Indeed, what other t1 (by this I assume you mean tech I) BC can tank a C3 wh? There should of course be only one.Lol

Sorry but I hope they nerf the shield regen for all BCs along with removing your Drake's resist bonus. Then omg you'ld have to see if a Ferox (presumably still with a resist bonus) could put out enough dps at 70km and somehow have enough cap to run an eek, local tank. Or horrors, people might have to try to use active Cyclones, or even Prophecys and ack, active armor tanking. Or, maybe they would try Myrmidons but whoops dps already nerfed (and lol drones against sleepers) and if BC shield regen gets nerfed, again ack, active armor tanking. Sad Or maybe no tech I BC should be solo-ing C3s.Blink

Frankly, I hope that what does happen is that the resist bonus is simply replaced with a missile speed bonus. That would be a true nerf for a ship that has been deserving one for many years. None of this replacement of the kinetic bonus with a rof bonus. I mean who wants Gallente tech II ship resists to mean anything anyway. **** Gallente. They've been losers for a while now, let's pile it on.Twisted

However, not to worry, I don't think I've ever seen a Caldari ship outright nerfed. ECM got nerfed, twice, but ecm boats got simultaneous compensatory buffs. But now, not hearing about any simultaneous buff for Neut boats with the new cap battery right back atcha mechanic. The Myrm got two sentry/heavy drones taken away and no compensatory buff when it got quickly nerfed after it's introduction to tranquility. Web boats got no re-buff with the web nerf. Damp boats no re-buff with the Damp nerf. The list goes on. It seem membership in the most populous race in new eden has its privileges.Straight

Also, again, no reason to worry about your carebear Drake, you see, with this expansion we had 5 frigs "rebalanced." They appear to be working their way up the ship classes. No word from CCP, but apparently in 6 months there will be 5 more frigs rebalanced. At this rate it will be years still before your precious easy-mode Drake will get altered in any way. Relax, and let me and anyone else that looks at the stats that are available about pve and pvp ship use (and cares about game balance) do the crying.CrySmile
Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#323 - 2012-05-29 00:51:20 UTC
Sorry, master, I didn`t knew that carebearing should be hard. And BTW, you can`t solo a C3 in a drake without warp or having an alt with Link bonuses. So, I guess it`s been a long time since you did a C3, but Sleepers BS neuts are killers, eats your cap in a minute or so, and that is a good bye to your adaptives, and hello to EM hole.
Again, you are crying that the drake is easy mode and it shouldn`t be doing C3 (uhm) solo. They should have been nerfed a long time ago. The onlu argument is that myrm got nerfed, so nerf others and drakes are good and simple. so ubernerf them. What you don`t realise is that they are good, not great. Not much dps unless you spend a lot in skills (lvl 5 to everything relevant).
Also, at pvp, we only use drakes as support, not main. Its not that good, simple.
For carebearing, lacks of the dps to finish a C3 site in 15 minutes (forts maybe), so, more than one is needed

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7
Lili Lu
#324 - 2012-05-29 02:42:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Lili Lu
I probably shouldn't but oh what the hell.

Kalel, you said "what other t1 BC can tank a c3 wh?" Implying that the Drake alone is capable.
So you see you pointed out the difference of the Drake from all other BCs. Yes neuting, but apparently you would not want to use any other BC and rightly so. Alt with link bonuses or not. Thus my examples of the horror that would ensue with any other BC and active local tanking, solo or not.

No, it is not my only argument that Myrms got nerfed very quickly. Maybe you should go back and read the whole thread. Also, oh you poor thing that you have to train shield operation 5 and shield management 5. I'm sure everyone else is doing fine training shield compensation 3 or 4 or armor skills to 3 or 4 and not 5, including the armor damage compensation skills.

You flat out confessed that you have no experience with any race of ships but Caldari - "I was talking about Caldari, no other factions. I won't get into that aegument since I don't fly them." (btw, I do have experience flying every race of ships, including the drake) So it would seem that you lack perspective on the Drake. You just don't want it nerfed. Understandable but not a valid argument that it is balanced with other BCs and with other ships in the classes above.

But you know, I already alerted you that you probably have nothing to worry about most likely for many years at the pace of changes that appear now. I hope I'm there though when it is finally nerfed to bathe in the tears of people like you. Smile
Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#325 - 2012-05-29 04:49:54 UTC
As you said, what the hell. Instead of leveling up other bc to get, in teir own term, be a good tanker while dealing a bit of dps in an effective way, you keep insisting in the nerf argument. That was my point, but you understood whatever you wanted to understand. As so many other said in other topics with less arguments that mine (basically "whaaaaaa, NOT FAIR!!!!!"), why fix what it ain't broken. Fix the other bcs so every faction, in its own way, can have a good base plataform for pvp and move on from there.
I hope I made my point simple. And you don't need to talk down to me, I understand you just fine without you petty sarcasm.

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7
Bouh Revetoile
In Wreck we thrust
#326 - 2012-05-29 14:52:36 UTC
Kalel Nimrott wrote:
Remember the reloading times and how does that affect the dps

Haha ! I missed this one ! Sure, you often need to reload to finish your target, more often without the damage bonus ! :D

Come on, this so called nerf is not even one. Drake tank wil remain very good, dps will be better with real damage selection, delayed damage application will be reduced and AML will have better damage projection. Infact, it will be on line with the others, and still an OP BC tier 2...