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The Golden Age of Piracy

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Jori McKie
Horde Vanguard.
Pandemic Horde
#21 - 2012-05-28 19:21:00 UTC
Ginseng Jita wrote:
Jori McKie wrote:
Ginseng Jita
you are a disgrace for a prirate. Go out and actually kill/ransom some poor souls and put them out of their misery.


I extort millions in ISK just by letting miners in asteroid belts know that if they do not pay me x amount of ISK that it'll cost them dearly. I can rake a cool 50+ mil in a few minutes this way. :) Never even have to fire shot. Move to a new system. Wash, rinse, repeat.

If they do not pay and warp to stations with their mining ops. I just wait. Then I return, blow up a barge or exhumer and repeat my offer. Soon the ISK are flowing in.

You have definitly not killed anybody on this account as there are no kills reported whatsorever that's why i called you a disgrace.

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Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
#22 - 2012-05-28 19:25:54 UTC
Jori McKie wrote:
Ginseng Jita wrote:
Jori McKie wrote:
Ginseng Jita
you are a disgrace for a prirate. Go out and actually kill/ransom some poor souls and put them out of their misery.


I extort millions in ISK just by letting miners in asteroid belts know that if they do not pay me x amount of ISK that it'll cost them dearly. I can rake a cool 50+ mil in a few minutes this way. :) Never even have to fire shot. Move to a new system. Wash, rinse, repeat.

If they do not pay and warp to stations with their mining ops. I just wait. Then I return, blow up a barge or exhumer and repeat my offer. Soon the ISK are flowing in.

You have definitly not killed anybody on this account as there are no kills reported whatsorever that's why i called you a disgrace.


Well now duh....if I were to use this character and people started putting me in their contacts as a potential ganker - rate me accordingly - they'd be onto me instantly. Use your head man! A good pirate leader always has a band of cutthroats at their beck and call to do their dirty work.
Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-05-28 19:53:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Karn Dulake
1660s were the Golden age of Piracy and the vast wealth of the spanish main where there for all to claim.


The Privateers rules the waves and plundered at will.


There were Pirate hunters who were sometimes successful at catching their quarry but many were as bad as the pirates themselves.


The real difference was that when a frigate captured a sloop a pirate hunter did not appear from nowhere and destroy the pirate with a single cannon ball.


true story
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Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
#24 - 2012-05-28 20:12:20 UTC
Karn Dulake wrote:
1660s were the Golden age of Piracy and the vast wealth of the spanish main where there for all to claim.


The Privateers rules the waves and plundered at will.


There were Pirate hunters who were sometimes successful at catching their quarry but many were as bad as the pirates themselves.


The real difference was that when a frigate captured a sloop a pirate hunter did not appear from nowhere and destroy the pirate with a single cannon ball.


true story


Yeah...it seems they could have used a nice rack of arties. :) Technology...gotta love it mate.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#25 - 2012-05-28 20:13:06 UTC
Karn Dulake wrote:
1660s were the Golden age of Piracy and the vast wealth of the spanish main where there for all to claim.

The Privateers rules the waves and plundered at will.

There were Pirate hunters who were sometimes successful at catching their quarry but many were as bad as the pirates themselves.

The real difference was that when a frigate captured a sloop a pirate hunter did not appear from nowhere and destroy the pirate with a single cannon ball.

true story

I guess the other difference was that the poor little trading boats didn't have some kind of solar system wide chat system warning them of the presence of every single possible hostile.

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Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#26 - 2012-05-28 20:23:27 UTC
Dyvim Slorm wrote:
Golden age of piracy was back in the days of mOo, they did it with some panache


Yeah they did, I fought them many times, (always ended up in a pod) but they sure had style. This suicide ganking today isn't piracy and people are deluding themselves if they think it is.
Tobiaz
Spacerats
#27 - 2012-05-28 20:32:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Tobiaz
Ohanka wrote:
Suicide ganking isn't piracy. Its idiocy.

Piracy is where you ransom hauler ships.


And you have to say ''harrr'' or it doesn't count either. Roll

High-sec ganking is the purest form of piracy currently in the game, because making money with the kills is generally more important then the killmail. Puddlefish, ore thieves (quite rare these days) and ninja-salvagers could also constitute as pirates.

Most of the -10 'pirates' in low sec though, are just fight-clubbing killmail-whores, who don't care enough about making ISK to even attempt a ransom (nor honor it if they do).


edit: I would like to add that I blame capitals and their low-cost jumping as one reason why low-sec piracy died. Interference from bored null-alliances stunted further cultivation of low sec. And the remaining 'pirates' enjoy their cheap projection of cap-level power, leaving only well-organized FW corporations (often on the brink of turning into a null-corp themselves) able to to compete with them.

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Alaric Faelen
Ascendance
Goonswarm Federation
#28 - 2012-05-28 21:05:25 UTC
Piracy is indeed fairly broken as a game mechanic. To begin with, piracy is really just a matter of semantics. Except for FW folks, you are always a pirate to your target. Regardless of what ever 'cause' you fight for, all that PvP is just the same as what 'pirates' do. Ransoms are pretty much the only functional difference- indeed low sec guns will fire on someone calling themselves an anti-pirate the same as they will for me and my Black Rebel friends. Only FW really qualifies as fighting for a legitimate national military. Everyone else is a pirate or hired gun- all random PvP is a form of piracy.
It goes to the issues of low sec. Generally, in Eve the closer something is to a RL counterpart, the better it works. Like a large fleet with specific roles being filled works remarkably like a RL battle fleet- and it works well. But piracy in Eve doesn't reflect it's RL counter part very well- the Age of Sail.
In short, we have no way to intercept passing (preferably soft targets) traffic in low sec, except to camp gates which requires large ships to absorb gate fire- where most pirates favor small, hit and run type ships.Our other option is camping a static plex, which means usually no one runs the plex and only comes to fight- not exactly 'piracy' in any meaningful sense. The truth is, we do mostly arranged duels because we're PvP enthusiasts. Piracy is a pretext for enjoying PvP.
In the grand scheme of null being a resource producing area, and high sec being the market areas, then low sec should be that dangerous passage between the two where pirates lurk and can halt unescorted traffic.
I think bubbles should work in low and not null- to reflect the local authority of your sov -claiming alliance in null, and the lack of security on the long low sec route to empire space to sell those wares. That would put more requirement to actually escort those resources to market rather than just blast thru low sec fearing little other than the rare gate camp. It would allow 'pirates' to act like pirates rather than just PvP enthusiasts, which is probably a more accurate description of most pirates.
We suffer from the negative connotation of the term 'pirate' without actually doing hardly anything differently than everyone else. Whether you shoot people to collect kill mails or moon goo, it's all functionally the same. If anything, our ransoming of ships and pods is more civilized than anyone else, who are almost universally NBSI.

Sorry to burst the bubble on piracy in Eve. But it's nothing like non-pirates seem to think.
pussnheels
Viziam
#29 - 2012-05-28 21:12:00 UTC  |  Edited by: pussnheels
never mind forum ate my post

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Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
#30 - 2012-05-28 21:12:21 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
Everyone knows what happens after a golden age.


Golden shower?
Cyprus Black
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#31 - 2012-05-28 22:08:13 UTC
When there is lots of prey, the predators also multiply in number.
When prey becomes scarce due to too many predators, the predators start dying off due to lack of food.

This is what is happening in EvE. There were lots of players in lowsec and the pirates multiplied. Now we see a point where lowsec players are scarce and pirates are crying out that their profession is dying. Indeed it is and by their own hand.

Eventually, given enough time, pirate numbers will thin and players will start returning to lowsec.

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Desert Ice78
Gryphons of the Western Wind
#32 - 2012-05-28 22:10:23 UTC
Ginseng Jita wrote:
Jori McKie wrote:
Ginseng Jita
you are a disgrace for a prirate. Go out and actually kill/ransom some poor souls and put them out of their misery.


I extort millions in ISK just by letting miners in asteroid belts know that if they do not pay me x amount of ISK that it'll cost them dearly. I can rake a cool 50+ mil in a few minutes this way. :) Never even have to fire shot. Move to a new system. Wash, rinse, repeat.

If they do not pay and warp to stations with their mining ops. I just wait. Then I return, blow up a barge or exhumer and repeat my offer. Soon the ISK are flowing in.


And thats it? That is your glorious existance as a "pirate?"

Like all fail-wannabe-hi-sec pvpers, you are pathetic.

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YuuKnow
The Scope
#33 - 2012-05-28 22:19:25 UTC
This thread is stupid
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#34 - 2012-05-28 22:22:00 UTC
Vicky Somers wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
Everyone knows what happens after a golden age.


Golden shower?


More like iron hail.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#35 - 2012-05-28 22:26:57 UTC
Desert Ice78 wrote:
Ginseng Jita wrote:
Jori McKie wrote:
Ginseng Jita
you are a disgrace for a prirate. Go out and actually kill/ransom some poor souls and put them out of their misery.


I extort millions in ISK just by letting miners in asteroid belts know that if they do not pay me x amount of ISK that it'll cost them dearly. I can rake a cool 50+ mil in a few minutes this way. :) Never even have to fire shot. Move to a new system. Wash, rinse, repeat.

If they do not pay and warp to stations with their mining ops. I just wait. Then I return, blow up a barge or exhumer and repeat my offer. Soon the ISK are flowing in.


And thats it? That is your glorious existance as a "pirate?"

Like all fail-wannabe-hi-sec pvpers, you are pathetic.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Desert+Ice78

I lol'd. Such a leet pee vee peer. I can see why you were chosen to dictate what is "real" PvP and what isn't.

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Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-05-28 22:29:40 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
You don't know what piracy is. You killed it yourself.

When was the last time someone actually paid a ransom, as opposed to flipping you the finger and start sd timer. There was a golden age in piracy, and it won't come back with you here.Roll

Far as I know, The Bastards will honor all ransoms. They don't *always* offer one, but they will (last I knew) always honor one that is offered.

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Snow Burst
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-05-28 22:32:32 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
You don't know what piracy is. You killed it yourself.

When was the last time someone actually paid a ransom, as opposed to flipping you the finger and start sd timer. There was a golden age in piracy, and it won't come back with you here.Roll

piracy = disobeying law simple as

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Peri Simone
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
#38 - 2012-05-28 23:30:21 UTC
Cyprus Black wrote:
When there is lots of prey, the predators also multiply in number.
When prey becomes scarce due to too many predators, the predators start dying off due to lack of food.

This is what is happening in EvE. There were lots of players in lowsec and the pirates multiplied. Now we see a point where lowsec players are scarce and pirates are crying out that their profession is dying. Indeed it is and by their own hand.

Eventually, given enough time, pirate numbers will thin and players will start returning to lowsec.


I've heard this analogy before, and I'm not convinced it holds up. Where "predators" are people who like shooting other people with spaceships rather than say, foxes, we can sustain ourselves indefinitely by shooting each other.

We might moan about quiet systems and POS trash from time to time, but lowsec corps like BRRC, Gunpoint Diplomacy and The Tuskers don't seem to be in danger of starvation any time soon.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#39 - 2012-05-28 23:43:11 UTC
Cyprus Black wrote:
When there is lots of prey, the predators also multiply in number.
When prey becomes scarce due to too many predators, the predators start dying off due to lack of food.

This is what is happening in EvE. There were lots of players in lowsec and the pirates multiplied. Now we see a point where lowsec players are scarce and pirates are crying out that their profession is dying. Indeed it is and by their own hand.

Eventually, given enough time, pirate numbers will thin and players will start returning to lowsec.


Actually, since no one comes to low-sec anymore (out of fear or whatever other reason) the "pirates" come to hi-sec. Make no mistake, people sitting in high sec do so to avoid the risk of low-sec "pirates" and that is their prerogative. Since they won't come to us, we'll just come to them.

Suicide ganking is just a manifestation of the "predators" migrating.

+1 to OP - I do love the direction this could go.

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Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
#40 - 2012-05-29 00:35:15 UTC
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