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A Plea for Rationale in the System of Natural Consequences

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Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#261 - 2012-05-28 13:58:41 UTC
Even when Eve is making more money, it's still "dying".

Poor Eve...it never even stood a chance
Dar Tel
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#262 - 2012-05-28 14:01:53 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:

If you want to produce things, don't you want a market to sell them into? Ships blowing up produces that market. Without ships blowing up, everyone will eventually have every ship they want and not need to buy anymore and production dies.


As for the subs, do you have any evidence that suggests that the average number of alts per person is on the rise? Cause that's what you're arguing.


I just don't think an organized killingspree all across high-sec is the way to do it. It's a one-way war in my opinion.

I looked at the Eve Online status monitor, (as did everyone else I guess), and saw that there is a decline. But I don't assume it to be a proof of a dwindling population.

Anyway, my point was only to express my support for the OP, and the issue he was making.
Aruken Marr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#263 - 2012-05-28 14:04:16 UTC
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Mistah Ewedynao wrote:
Well this has turned into a complete goon -alt-a- thon.

No surprise there huh CCP ??

CCP hasn't figured out a good PvP mechanism so they are just going with the Gooons "Content". Wonderful!

And an ex Goon is telling how cool the completely fail UI is gonna work for us.

CCP you got garbage in u house. Clean it up!


Goons will.fight the change because it puts a spanner in Mittani's economic plans.

I mean why would anyone but a greifer really object to making hi sec a tad safer for certain activities, if its a case that its too easy to make isk mining in hi sec, what's hard about earning revenue shooting ships that can't fight back.


Tal


Here's where your problem is, you fail to realise that players are getting paid by players to do these things. This isn't some over powered game mechanic where people are earning isk directly for shooting miners. This is player created content driven by market manipulation. This is exactly what makes this game great, the idea of a multinational community working together to make isk and have fun. It just so happens that this is at the expense of people who don't understand how this game works...

I think here-in lies the further problem. A lot of you hiseccers in your 10 man indi corps cant fully comprehend what a community of a 1000+ players driven by a single or collection of motives to achieve something massive is really like. You dont see the work that's gone into amassing the funds required to motivate such widespread destruction. I mean, it can't be much harder than afk mining for enough hours to earn the isk for a plex and maintain that manufacturing pos so you can afk mine some more and watch that sp counter/wallet balnce go up indefinately, can it?
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#264 - 2012-05-28 14:09:53 UTC
Dar Tel wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:

If you want to produce things, don't you want a market to sell them into? Ships blowing up produces that market. Without ships blowing up, everyone will eventually have every ship they want and not need to buy anymore and production dies.


As for the subs, do you have any evidence that suggests that the average number of alts per person is on the rise? Cause that's what you're arguing.


I just don't think an organized killingspree all across high-sec is the way to do it. It's a one-way war in my opinion.

I looked at the Eve Online status monitor, (as did everyone else I guess), and saw that there is a decline. But I don't assume it to be a proof of a dwindling population.

Anyway, my point was only to express my support for the OP, and the issue he was making.


http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility
I read it as increasing since last summer's disaster. Which direction are you reading the graph? Now is on the Left, 2003 is on the right.

From a post Incursion High of 42k online in Jan 2011, it dropped to the Incarna low of 24k in September 2011, and has risen to the current average of around 34k.

Aren't all wars one sided? Besides, in a sandbox, who are you to decide what wars should and shouldn't drive demand?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Alavaria Fera
Imperial Shipment
#265 - 2012-05-28 14:14:47 UTC
Aruken Marr wrote:
Here's where your problem is, you fail to realise that players are getting paid by players to do these things. This isn't some over powered game mechanic where people are earning isk directly for shooting miners. This is player created content driven by market manipulation. This is exactly what makes this game great, the idea of a multinational community working together to make isk and have fun. It just so happens that this is at the expense of people who don't understand how this game works...

I think here-in lies the further problem. A lot of you hiseccers in your 10 man indi corps cant fully comprehend what a community of a 1000+ players driven by a single or collection of motives to achieve something massive is really like. You dont see the work that's gone into amassing the funds required to motivate such widespread destruction. I mean, it can't be much harder than afk mining for enough hours to earn the isk for a plex and maintain that manufacturing pos so you can afk mine some more and watch that sp counter/wallet balnce go up indefinately, can it?

The titans come from somewhere ~

They also go somewhere when you jump instead of bridge. But that's another issue ~

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Selaya Ataru
Phalanx Solutions
#266 - 2012-05-28 14:19:03 UTC
Honestly, why do you even make a thread like this?

The Point is: CCP wants Eve to be a game for people that like to play space psychotics.
Yes its unfair, its harsh and even your extremly important rl job (seriously, do you have anything to compensate?) wont help you in Eve.
Eve is about making people spacemiserale.

If CCP wants to have 5m subscribers, they would have made yet another fluffy bunny fantasy MMO.
But it seems they dont give a **** and rather stick to what they can do and what they like.

Deal with it.
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
#267 - 2012-05-28 14:22:33 UTC
It really doesn't matter what kind of rationale you present, the bottom line is that CCP thinks the Goons are cool, and "events" like Hulkageddon are even cooler. They are seriously only going to act if subscription numbers dip.
Alavaria Fera
Imperial Shipment
#268 - 2012-05-28 14:27:12 UTC
Ana Vyr wrote:
It really doesn't matter what kind of rationale you present, the bottom line is that CCP thinks the Goons are cool, and "events" like Hulkageddon are even cooler. They are seriously only going to act if subscription numbers dip.

Ah yes, the let's unsub thing...

EVE just keeps pulling you back though. And then there's the forums ~~

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Salisar Salubrious
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#269 - 2012-05-28 14:35:20 UTC
Oddball, is Eve Online still a game to you?

Is it a game for you?

A little time spent thinking about these two questions may help you greatly.
Aruken Marr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#270 - 2012-05-28 14:35:55 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:

The titans come from somewhere ~

They also go somewhere when you jump instead of bridge. But that's another issue ~


I thought they came from RMT?
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#271 - 2012-05-28 14:45:00 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
The rest of the fit's still a monstrosity.

Bah!
"good enough is good enough"
Besides, unless i *really* **** someone off it's safe enough, and I'm not trying to maximize yield (just get it "done").

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.

AutumnRage Achasse
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#272 - 2012-05-28 14:50:07 UTC
Lexmana wrote:
AutumnRage Achasse wrote:
The only thing growing are your alts. Keep up your good work CCP.

Wouldn't it be better if you started grow your balls instead ... oh right you don't have any.



That the best ya got? How many alts you have? lol
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#273 - 2012-05-28 15:01:12 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Asuri Kinnes wrote:

Because everyone *knows* that pirates only come in pairs... There is *no* way to tank a hulk effectively, because those people attacking (if they want it) will just bring "*tank+1". Industrial ships will never be more than "lol" for pvp. All the videos showing people getting kills with their industrials are funny precisely because of this...


Nobody ever kills a hulk with 2 or more battleships worth 350-400 mil. Just about all gankers will hit a hulk with a single or a pair of destroyers because that is the only way to make a profit from the gank.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#274 - 2012-05-28 15:06:42 UTC
Asuri Kinnes wrote:

"*tank +1" = still dead....
[Catalyst, Pure Gank]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer I
Magnetic Field Stabilizer I
Magnetic Field Stabilizer I

Warp Scrambler I
Warp Scrambler I

Modal Light Ion Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Modal Light Ion Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Modal Light Ion Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Modal Light Ion Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Modal Light Ion Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Modal Light Ion Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Modal Light Ion Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Modal Light Ion Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S

[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]

10 and 7 dead catalysts, to be exact...

371 dps with my skills....

Yeah, too bad pirates don't organize...

Glad us pirates *never* go in groups...


Good luck making any kind of profit on that kill.
Alia Gon'die
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#275 - 2012-05-28 16:23:33 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Asuri Kinnes wrote:

Because everyone *knows* that pirates only come in pairs... There is *no* way to tank a hulk effectively, because those people attacking (if they want it) will just bring "*tank+1". Industrial ships will never be more than "lol" for pvp. All the videos showing people getting kills with their industrials are funny precisely because of this...


Nobody ever kills a hulk with 2 or more battleships worth 350-400 mil. Just about all gankers will hit a hulk with a single or a pair of destroyers because that is the only way to make a profit from the gank.


Efficiency!

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Vladimir McSquizzle
Squizzinators Inc
#276 - 2012-05-28 16:51:22 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13478516
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13478515

1.9 bil implants plugged in head, prefers to leave midslots empty rather then fit tanking modules because 'don't have to cuz pvp is optional right?'


+1 \o/

I fully support the removal of these implants...FREE TAH BRAINS!
Rhah Kaundur
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#277 - 2012-05-28 17:02:42 UTC
Bring an alt or friend to the belt with you in a very cheap frigate. Attack your own Hulk so that concord responds. The concord ships should hang around with you for awhile. That should give you a nice little escort fleet while you mine. If concord leaves..do it again.
Ituhata Saken
Killboard Padding Services
#278 - 2012-05-28 17:04:56 UTC
Rhah Kaundur wrote:
Bring an alt or friend to the belt with you in a very cheap frigate. Attack your own Hulk so that concord responds. The concord ships should hang around with you for awhile. That should give you a nice little escort fleet while you mine. If concord leaves..do it again.


Old trick, and I love the ingenuity of it, but I thought that was deemed an exploit at one time?

So close...

killorbekilled TBE
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#279 - 2012-05-28 17:07:29 UTC  |  Edited by: killorbekilled TBE
That be alot of bigs words there mr, we are not but humble pirates

Pirate

:)

TheBreadMuncher
Protus Correction Facility Inc.
#280 - 2012-05-28 17:08:16 UTC
+1'd for the first line.

Removed that +1 after reading the rest of the post.

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