EVE General Discussion

OP, I am glad that you went out and enjoyed yourself. I do not, however, understand how your risk adversion should affect the rest of the playerbase. Implants are no different then ships. This is Eve. Everything can be lost. I'm not sure why I have to suffer because you do not wish to spend ISK/take risk/have an expensive pod on your kilkboard.

Perhaps, you should look into how you reached the point that you would rather ship spin then lose some implants and not play the game you are playing.

Honestly - Why? You're not forced into making use of learning implants that are too expensive to the point where they deter you from getting into PvP. You have the choice, much like someone looking for PvP has the option to buy a stack of cheap Rifters, instead of splurging everything on a pimped out faction ship that wipes out his wallet when he dies. Or a miner who has the choice to buy a stack of Covetors to use in dangerous space/during Hulkageddon, instead of thinking that he needs a pimp Hulk for mining or else "mining's just not worth it"

Why do the latter attitudes get laughed at, but "expensive learning implants are broken because I insist on using them" makes perfect sense? In all cases you have the option to tailor the size of the financial investment you're putting at risk, taking into account your experience, skills, risk appetite, etc.

I finally said "**** it" one day and destroyed my implants. You get used to not having the boost that they provide and you never have to worry about losing/replacing them!

Actually, removing implants and increasing stats across the board would be a HUGE help to new players and the mildly risk-averse.

Personally, I would be much more inclined to roam, even solo, without having to worry about either messing with my training times or losing implants. Keep the implants, but remove the attribute bonuses and just have the sets. Veteran/rich players keep their combat bonuses, new players that couldn't afford the high-end implants anyway lose nothing, but gain the peace of mind to not give a crap about being podded.

In the end, the vets should support this. They might get more targets roaming around, like me.

Why or should I say how ?
Implants was the least of my concerns when I was a new player.
I was more interested in keeping myself in a ship.

Sorry but I don't see why everyone is stuck on there implants these days and how they have now become the new excuse of why they won't PvP.

Ship & Clone & Ammo first Implants only after that.

Besides FREE CHOICE ALL.
If people are so worried about losing implants, why did you put them in to begin with.

Becuase you can train faster.
Well when CCP gets rid of the implants you will all be training alot slower.
Oh wait you want faster training right...
So is this thread really about implants or is it about people complaining cause they spend to long training.
If it is just about implants then CCP should be able to delete them without increasing your current stats.

Actually when this thread appeared a couple of times in Jita Hall and Features & Ideas it was suggested that we get rid of learning implants, get rid of stats, and set training times to the equivalent of a set of +5's.

They want to get rid of the cake, and then eat it.

There was a suggestion on this a while back -- get rid of attribute implants and convert those 5 slots into hardwires. It didn't go over well.

The way I've explained implant "logic" to some is pretty simple:

I can afford a lot. I can buy tons of fits and ships, bling them or fly cheap - it doesn't make a difference, literally I can afford billions in losses and shrug it off - it's just isk and I can always get more.

What I can't buy, the 1 thing that all the isk in the game won't get me is SP that I didn't gain by using higher end attribute implants.

It's about not earning the SP that sit heavy on many players minds. The ability to fit & fly ships in this game is a major motivation - be that from a new char still working Engineering up, or a more experienced char trying to "meet requirements" for a given corp/alliance's operations - "need carriers 5 or I can't fly a super" can park a char just as readily as "can't fit an MWD on my frigate" to a newbie.

Only after they have the SP do players tend to find it to be a trivial issue - or once they have a batch of accounts, each focused on different parts of the game, do they not care anymore.

As such, I find them to be a bigger impediment for players to actually get into PvP than anything else. All the rest is just isk costs but the training losses? That cannot be bought and I'd like to see this benefit removed from "carebears" / the penalty taken off of the PvP players.

Yeah, I'd like to see it redressed, like removal of the learning skills - which did improve game play for the majority, by large margins.

My clone costs 45 million sans implants. CCP hates me.

TBH, the stupidly high cost of my pod is one of (but not the only) the reasons I don't fly frigs of any sort or T1 cruisers. Insufficient survivability.

"But Wrayeth, aren't you a 2004 character? Why don't you have billions upon billions of ISK?"

I spent it on PvP ships. And I really can't be assed to mission much anymore. Also, I don't live in 0.0 because sov and blob warfare suck the big one these days, so I don't have access to the other primary means of making cash.

I'm just hoping CCP reduce the clone costs like they mentioned doing at in a blog or one of the Fanfest panels a few months ago (can't remember which).

Hi5

Cheappo +3's and eventually a +1 or +3 hardwiring it's really not that expensive, and really who's turd enough to fap on pod KM's? -give him a free ticket to discuss his personality issues with a real doctor

This is a game, and a game whatever you do is tedious for such small reward (fun), like it or hate it. There are other pvp games with other reward system like levelling, there's not much difference, it's just another nerd game for internet nerds.
Internet nerds always feel special and better then all the other internet nerds playing another game, except nerds whoever they are, are just nerds and less interesting than the average "normal" human being, that's why they have to spend so much time giving themselves credit for internet gaming achievements.