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Why does new inventory system freeze/lock up my clients
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Loike
Pyramid Celestial
#1 - 2012-05-28 04:37:27 UTC
why does ccp insist on making unnecessary changes to the game such as this new inventory thread, i liked the way it was before, it took me 1/2 hour to complete a trade between two toons, it then took another 45 minutes and multiple client restarts to get items into the jump freighter and then after getting the stuff to the desired station another hour and bs...3 hours later a sorting of the items has locked the client up again, blah blah its your computer...so what if it is or isnt it worked fine before, so the old task of moving **** would be maybe 10 minutes is now 3-4 hours

simple fix, how about next time you give ppl the option to opt out of these stupid changes - i never asked for this at all and dont want it, even taking a step back and looking at it if it did work properly i still dont like it

illbe back to eve in 6-12 months when i can afford a new computer..or maybe not really ccp im at the point where i think you should go **** yourself but i dont think you got a big enough set to pull it off

ps mail me if you want all my stuff
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-05-28 04:38:45 UTC
guess happens when I expand that "member hangars" menu

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#3 - 2012-05-28 04:48:27 UTC
Loike wrote:
why does ccp insist on making unnecessary changes to the game such as this new inventory thread, i liked the way it was before, it took me 1/2 hour to complete a trade between two toons, it then took another 45 minutes and multiple client restarts to get items into the jump freighter and then after getting the stuff to the desired station another hour and bs...3 hours later a sorting of the items has locked the client up again, blah blah its your computer...so what if it is or isnt it worked fine before, so the old task of moving **** would be maybe 10 minutes is now 3-4 hours

simple fix, how about next time you give ppl the option to opt out of these stupid changes - i never asked for this at all and dont want it, even taking a step back and looking at it if it did work properly i still dont like it

illbe back to eve in 6-12 months when i can afford a new computer..or maybe not really ccp im at the point where i think you should go **** yourself but i dont think you got a big enough set to pull it off

ps mail me if you want all my stuff


they are fixing this on tuesday.....
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-05-28 04:49:19 UTC
Ammzi wrote:
they are fixing this on tuesday.....


link?

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Loike
Pyramid Celestial
#5 - 2012-05-28 04:50:10 UTC
Ammzi wrote:
Loike wrote:
why does ccp insist on making unnecessary changes to the game such as this new inventory thread, i liked the way it was before, it took me 1/2 hour to complete a trade between two toons, it then took another 45 minutes and multiple client restarts to get items into the jump freighter and then after getting the stuff to the desired station another hour and bs...3 hours later a sorting of the items has locked the client up again, blah blah its your computer...so what if it is or isnt it worked fine before, so the old task of moving **** would be maybe 10 minutes is now 3-4 hours

simple fix, how about next time you give ppl the option to opt out of these stupid changes - i never asked for this at all and dont want it, even taking a step back and looking at it if it did work properly i still dont like it

illbe back to eve in 6-12 months when i can afford a new computer..or maybe not really ccp im at the point where i think you should go **** yourself but i dont think you got a big enough set to pull it off

ps mail me if you want all my stuff


they are fixing this on tuesday.....


they shouldnt have broke it in the first place

if i pulled this **** in my job i would be fired...
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#6 - 2012-05-28 05:13:40 UTC
Loike wrote:
Ammzi wrote:
Loike wrote:
why does ccp insist on making unnecessary changes to the game such as this new inventory thread, i liked the way it was before, it took me 1/2 hour to complete a trade between two toons, it then took another 45 minutes and multiple client restarts to get items into the jump freighter and then after getting the stuff to the desired station another hour and bs...3 hours later a sorting of the items has locked the client up again, blah blah its your computer...so what if it is or isnt it worked fine before, so the old task of moving **** would be maybe 10 minutes is now 3-4 hours

simple fix, how about next time you give ppl the option to opt out of these stupid changes - i never asked for this at all and dont want it, even taking a step back and looking at it if it did work properly i still dont like it

illbe back to eve in 6-12 months when i can afford a new computer..or maybe not really ccp im at the point where i think you should go **** yourself but i dont think you got a big enough set to pull it off

ps mail me if you want all my stuff


they are fixing this on tuesday.....


they shouldnt have broke it in the first place

if i pulled this **** in my job i would be fired...


What might that be may I ask?

From what I understand from some Silicon Valley vets I know (like REAL vets, the ones that predate PCs and internet) CCP works VERY much like a Silicon Valley software company. One key concept of which is to do business like this: http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/07_26/b4040436.htm

The Drake is a Lie
Sloppy Podfarts
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2012-05-28 05:18:51 UTC
Quote:
they are fixing this on tuesday.....

they shouldnt have broke it in the first place

if i pulled this **** in my job i would be fired...


Oops
Kaaeliaa
Tyrannos Sunset
#8 - 2012-05-28 05:25:31 UTC
Blame CCP all you want, but part of this is on us. If you want new features to be polished more, log onto SiSi and test them. If we volunteer our time, it gives CCP more headroom to actually fix things instead of having to run tests themselves, and there are a lot more of us than there are of them.

And to preemptively counter arguments that they get paid to do this: yes, they do. But they don't have the manpower or the time to test every new feature on every possible PC configuration, of which there are probably thousands of common ones and many more thousands of uncommon ones.

If you don't have the time, fine. But if you do, it's not too much to ask to help make the game you love better. It'll help a lot more than rageposting on the forums.

"Do not lift the veil. Do not show the door. Do not split the dream."
Loike
Pyramid Celestial
#9 - 2012-05-28 05:34:47 UTC
Kaaeliaa wrote:
Blame CCP all you want, but part of this is on us. If you want new features to be polished more, log onto SiSi and test them. If we volunteer our time, it gives CCP more headroom to actually fix things instead of having to run tests themselves, and there are a lot more of us than there are of them.

And to preemptively counter arguments that they get paid to do this: yes, they do. But they don't have the manpower or the time to test every new feature on every possible PC configuration, of which there are probably thousands of common ones and many more thousands of uncommon ones.

If you don't have the time, fine. But if you do, it's not too much to ask to help make the game you love better. It'll help a lot more than rageposting on the forums.



the game is fine the way it is m(was)

i pay to play the game

if ccp wants testers then pay me to play on sisi and i will oh and free sp to use on the sisi servers isnt going to cut it
No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#10 - 2012-05-28 07:02:08 UTC
I was in a 10% TiDi situation today with 1000+ dudes in local and I really wanted to pop a booster. I brought 5 boosters specifically for this damn fight. Dreadfully I eyed the new inventory button and tentatively clicked it.

*freeze*

Everything froze up for about 2 minutes and I missed like 2 fleet warps. We need an easy way to access simple things from inventory like boosters without opening a bazillion menus CCP.

.
Captain' Jack Sparrow
#11 - 2012-05-28 15:15:39 UTC
Yes. This is ridiculous. Was never a problem before.

With one of my alts, I regularly make trips to and from a POS. I couldn't believe the simple act of transferring stacks of blueprint copies felt like it was going to crash my client. Hanging up, jumping graphics... Craziness!

Don't even get me started that this trip happens in an ORCA. That's another headache in itself.

PLEASE CCP. The best way to fix this is simply go back to the old way.
Bootleg Jack
ACME Mineral and Gas
#12 - 2012-05-28 15:35:52 UTC
Kaaeliaa wrote:
Blame CCP all you want, but part of this is on us. If you want new features to be polished more, log onto SiSi and test them. If we volunteer our time, it gives CCP more headroom to actually fix things instead of having to run tests themselves, and there are a lot more of us than there are of them.

And to preemptively counter arguments that they get paid to do this: yes, they do. But they don't have the manpower or the time to test every new feature on every possible PC configuration, of which there are probably thousands of common ones and many more thousands of uncommon ones.

If you don't have the time, fine. But if you do, it's not too much to ask to help make the game you love better. It'll help a lot more than rageposting on the forums.


The people who log into SiSi have been complaining about this for weeks and were ignored.

I'm an American, English is my second language...
bongsmoke
Visine Red
420 Chronicles of EvE
#13 - 2012-05-28 15:38:49 UTC
Loike wrote:
Kaaeliaa wrote:
Blame CCP all you want, but part of this is on us. If you want new features to be polished more, log onto SiSi and test them. If we volunteer our time, it gives CCP more headroom to actually fix things instead of having to run tests themselves, and there are a lot more of us than there are of them.

And to preemptively counter arguments that they get paid to do this: yes, they do. But they don't have the manpower or the time to test every new feature on every possible PC configuration, of which there are probably thousands of common ones and many more thousands of uncommon ones.

If you don't have the time, fine. But if you do, it's not too much to ask to help make the game you love better. It'll help a lot more than rageposting on the forums.



the game is fine the way it is m(was)

i pay to play the game

if ccp wants testers then pay me to play on sisi and i will oh and free sp to use on the sisi servers isnt going to cut it


The extortion never stops.

Always plenty of volunteers out there.
bongsmoke
Visine Red
420 Chronicles of EvE
#14 - 2012-05-28 15:40:19 UTC
Bootleg Jack wrote:
Kaaeliaa wrote:
Blame CCP all you want, but part of this is on us. If you want new features to be polished more, log onto SiSi and test them. If we volunteer our time, it gives CCP more headroom to actually fix things instead of having to run tests themselves, and there are a lot more of us than there are of them.

And to preemptively counter arguments that they get paid to do this: yes, they do. But they don't have the manpower or the time to test every new feature on every possible PC configuration, of which there are probably thousands of common ones and many more thousands of uncommon ones.

If you don't have the time, fine. But if you do, it's not too much to ask to help make the game you love better. It'll help a lot more than rageposting on the forums.


The people who log into SiSi have been complaining about this for weeks and were ignored.

If "the people" actual learned instead of looking at it for 5 seconds and crying, you'd find its better, not worst.
Kaaeliaa
Tyrannos Sunset
#15 - 2012-05-28 17:54:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaaeliaa
bongsmoke wrote:
Loike wrote:
Kaaeliaa wrote:
Blame CCP all you want, but part of this is on us. If you want new features to be polished more, log onto SiSi and test them. If we volunteer our time, it gives CCP more headroom to actually fix things instead of having to run tests themselves, and there are a lot more of us than there are of them.

And to preemptively counter arguments that they get paid to do this: yes, they do. But they don't have the manpower or the time to test every new feature on every possible PC configuration, of which there are probably thousands of common ones and many more thousands of uncommon ones.

If you don't have the time, fine. But if you do, it's not too much to ask to help make the game you love better. It'll help a lot more than rageposting on the forums.



the game is fine the way it is m(was)

i pay to play the game

if ccp wants testers then pay me to play on sisi and i will oh and free sp to use on the sisi servers isnt going to cut it


The extortion never stops.

Always plenty of volunteers out there.


Beta testing features is EXTORTION?

The facts are simple: no game company currently in existence has the resources to test every new feature in every possible situation on every possible system configuration. Not even the much-vaunted, rabid fanboy-attracting Blizzard has ever had a release without problems. Testing features and code takes thousands of man-hours of time.

Let's posit a scenario: CCP wants to test a new feature for 3000 hours worth of data to make sure it's ready for release. They have 3 testers available to allocate. That's 1000 hours per tester. Not only is that timeframe impossible, they just don't have the money to pay 3 people to test one single feature for 1000 hours each.

Instead, they have SiSi. Let's say 297 people volunteer to show up, plus the three employees. Now it's down to 10 hours per tester. Even at 1 hour per day for all of them, it would take 10 days to gather the data (which would include 300 different system configurations as well) and only 30 hours of paid company time. I don't pretend to know the workings of CCP, but that scenario is a lot more palatable than the first.

Let's say that people like you stop pretending that companies are trying to exploit you with beta testing. 3997 people test the feature on SiSi, plus the 3 devs. At one hour per person, that 3000 hours of data could be collected in a single day, along with a much larger sample size of possible system configurations.

I feel like the world would be much improved if everyone was required to pass a basic statistics class.

"Do not lift the veil. Do not show the door. Do not split the dream."
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2012-05-28 18:07:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Barbara Nichole
Loike wrote:
why does ccp insist on making unnecessary changes to the game such as this new inventory thread, i liked the way it was before, it took me 1/2 hour to complete a trade between two toons, it then took another 45 minutes and multiple client restarts to get items into the jump freighter and then after getting the stuff to the desired station another hour and bs...3 hours later a sorting of the items has locked the client up again, blah blah its your computer...so what if it is or isnt it worked fine before, so the old task of moving **** would be maybe 10 minutes is now 3-4 hours

simple fix, how about next time you give ppl the option to opt out of these stupid changes - i never asked for this at all and dont want it, even taking a step back and looking at it if it did work properly i still dont like it

illbe back to eve in 6-12 months when i can afford a new computer..or maybe not really ccp im at the point where i think you should go **** yourself but i dont think you got a big enough set to pull it off

ps mail me if you want all my stuff



well, I don't know the exact reason for your lag. (BTW your character looks like Steve Martin..) but yesterday was the first day I actually tried to be a full mining op under the new ... inventory system. it was so slow and laggy that I wanted to cry. I only had 3 boxes going plus my corp members trying to use my orca hangers. The inventory system was terrible on trying to get my windows up and straight for the hangers on my orca.. the orca used to have a nice little window with tabs... now we have a laggy larger window because of the side car column and the fact that you have to have it opened tall enough as well as wide enough to see the hanger entries in that column. I thought I might grow accustomed to this change if they fix the problems .. but after that experience I'm thinking it's not going to work.. I want only the simple windows back..

CCP we need speed not microsoft style inventory. at the very least let us drop the new system in favor of the old system. I never want to see the new system again.

  - remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not  "afk" cloaking -

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Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2012-05-28 18:14:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Barbara Nichole
Kaaeliaa wrote:
Blame CCP all you want, but part of this is on us. If you want new features to be polished more, log onto SiSi and test them. If we volunteer our time, it gives CCP more headroom to actually fix things instead of having to run tests themselves, and there are a lot more of us than there are of them.
.



I would agree with you IF it was easier to keep sisi up and running on my pc.. I've trying to keep a sisi connection updated and ready to go but it's just a chore to keep up.. and it keeps changing so I have to constantly figure out what's wrong with my client log in over and over..

So no.. I fully blame CCP.

Then too, the people getting on sisi get on fit a ship and go rat and think, "hey a new inventory system"... They do not have mining ops with 10 people trying to use the new cumbersome system. From what I understand many did voice concerns.. but there just aren't enough people doing real testing in sisi. Mainly for the reason above.

  - remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not  "afk" cloaking -

[IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG]
Cutesmile
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2012-05-28 18:46:20 UTC
+500

I lost all torpedoes right before the ops while dragging to active ship.
spent about 30 mins searching and found in a hurricane.
this really makes me mad - WHY I must SHIFT-click the icons? Simple click is much more convenient.

I want old inventory back!
Yogsoloth
Fliet Pizza Delivery
Of Essence
#19 - 2012-05-29 05:00:09 UTC
Bootleg Jack wrote:
Kaaeliaa wrote:
Blame CCP all you want, but part of this is on us. If you want new features to be polished more, log onto SiSi and test them. If we volunteer our time, it gives CCP more headroom to actually fix things instead of having to run tests themselves, and there are a lot more of us than there are of them.

And to preemptively counter arguments that they get paid to do this: yes, they do. But they don't have the manpower or the time to test every new feature on every possible PC configuration, of which there are probably thousands of common ones and many more thousands of uncommon ones.

If you don't have the time, fine. But if you do, it's not too much to ask to help make the game you love better. It'll help a lot more than rageposting on the forums.


The people who log into SiSi have been complaining about this for weeks and were ignored.

Yes please continue to railroad us with your unecessary and unfunctional changes, yay ! CHange it back already.
Loike
Pyramid Celestial
#20 - 2012-05-29 05:04:04 UTC
bongsmoke wrote:
Bootleg Jack wrote:
Kaaeliaa wrote:
Blame CCP all you want, but part of this is on us. If you want new features to be polished more, log onto SiSi and test them. If we volunteer our time, it gives CCP more headroom to actually fix things instead of having to run tests themselves, and there are a lot more of us than there are of them.

And to preemptively counter arguments that they get paid to do this: yes, they do. But they don't have the manpower or the time to test every new feature on every possible PC configuration, of which there are probably thousands of common ones and many more thousands of uncommon ones.

If you don't have the time, fine. But if you do, it's not too much to ask to help make the game you love better. It'll help a lot more than rageposting on the forums.


The people who log into SiSi have been complaining about this for weeks and were ignored.

If "the people" actual learned instead of looking at it for 5 seconds and crying, you'd find its better, not worst.



if all you own is a drake then maybe then that just makes you scrub who doesnt have a clue
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