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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#21 - 2012-05-28 01:53:41 UTC
Kaserin Smarte wrote:


I want balance I do not want a immortal zone. I am trying to compromise find solutions to curb the big trend in ganking not get rid of it.


There is no big trend in ganking. The amount of gankers has risen along with the growth in population. I am just as safe in my hauler now as I was 6 years ago.
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#22 - 2012-05-28 01:58:54 UTC
Kaserin Smarte wrote:
See this is utter nonsense and the drivel of a mad men. WE MINE CAUSE WE LIKE.

If you enjoy it so much, why do you do it AFK?

Quote:
We do other things in eve other than mining surprise surprise. We understand that this game is just more than PVP its a SANDBOX game. Meaning there is no wrong way to play.

Cue the unintentionally ironic, hypocritical demand for an end to suicide ganking in 3...2...1...

Quote:
A lot of us are casual players who have no skill or desire fo PVP. STOP forcing your game play on casual PVE players. You have LOWSEC NULLSEC and WH space to go gank to your hearts content.

And we also have highsec to gank. Since the miners are actually inhabiting highsec, that's where we'll go.

Quote:
Hell if you want to grief highsecers just WARDEC us and have fun that way.

We do, but we also use suicide ganking, since a lot of miners are in NPC corps or, in wartime, will evade war (by docking up, dropping corp, etc.).

Quote:
You are not parting some sage wisom you are just griefing and saying egostitcal crap so you feel good.

We'll agree to disagree on that one. Smile

MinerBumping.com
Jill Xelitras
Xeltec services
#23 - 2012-05-28 01:59:49 UTC
I'm lazy ...

So I wait for somebody else to link Mr. Smarte to Goofball Six.

That is all.

Jill.

Don't anger the forum gods.

ISD Buldath:

> I Saw, I came, I Frowned, I locked, I posted, and I left.
Kaserin Smarte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-05-28 02:05:37 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Kaserin Smarte wrote:



See this is utter nonsense and the drivel of a mad men. WE MINE CAUSE WE LIKE. We do other things in eve other than mining surprise surprise. We understand that this game is just more than PVP its a SANDBOX game. Meaning there is no wrong way to play. A lot of us are casual players who have no skill or desire fo PVP. STOP forcing your game play on casual PVE players. You have LOWSEC NULLSEC and WH space to go gank to your hearts content. Hell if you want to grief highsecers just WARDEC us and have fun that way. You are not parting some sage wisom you are just griefing and saying egostitcal crap so you feel good.


High sec is a PVP zone and always has been. Treat it as such.


Never said it wasnt did you not read my OP?
Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
#25 - 2012-05-28 02:10:45 UTC
Kaserin Smarte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-05-28 02:11:33 UTC
Kaserin Smarte wrote:
See this is utter nonsense and the drivel of a mad men. WE MINE CAUSE WE LIKE.

If you enjoy it so much, why do you do it AFK?




Do you read what and post I mean really read it not see what you want to see?

I do not afk mine I am on dscan I collect intel that only goes so far because of cloaks.

I want B A L A N C E not end to ganking....for crying out loud I dont want to ruin your game so why ruin my game.

MIners are not your only target they are just easy kills for you so you only have to risk a catalyst. PVP again players that PVP not people who want to play the PVE side of the game.

So you want to make our game harder and your game easier by not wardecin. Sounds like you dont understand the mechanics of EVE and how to play the game.

Your ego is showing....
Kaserin Smarte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2012-05-28 02:12:39 UTC
Ginseng Jita wrote:
Seems this is why he is here.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13474589



Nope wanted him to blow me up so i can go and get him....so nice try.

This is not same rage get rid of ganking or i quit post. I am trying to find compromise and balance to the game.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#28 - 2012-05-28 02:12:42 UTC
Kaserin Smarte wrote:


Never said it wasnt did you not read my OP?


I see you bouncing off the walls because people can shoot you while you mine in high sec.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#29 - 2012-05-28 02:14:53 UTC
Kaserin Smarte wrote:
Kaserin Smarte wrote:
See this is utter nonsense and the drivel of a mad men. WE MINE CAUSE WE LIKE.

If you enjoy it so much, why do you do it AFK?




Do you read what and post I mean really read it not see what you want to see?

I do not afk mine I am on dscan I collect intel that only goes so far because of cloaks.

I want B A L A N C E not end to ganking....for crying out loud I dont want to ruin your game so why ruin my game.

MIners are not your only target they are just easy kills for you so you only have to risk a catalyst. PVP again players that PVP not people who want to play the PVE side of the game.

So you want to make our game harder and your game easier by not wardecin. Sounds like you dont understand the mechanics of EVE and how to play the game.

Your ego is showing....


It is balanced, all you have to do is fit a tank.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#30 - 2012-05-28 02:16:36 UTC
Kaserin Smarte wrote:
Kaserin Smarte wrote:
See this is utter nonsense and the drivel of a mad men. WE MINE CAUSE WE LIKE.

If you enjoy it so much, why do you do it AFK?

Oh my. Interesting argument.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Orlacc
#31 - 2012-05-28 02:16:37 UTC
The Neverending Story....

Look at all the Dev responses........

Cue tumbleweed

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
#32 - 2012-05-28 02:16:38 UTC
I too would like a dev response Roll

on

when they plan on banning these forum griefers who want to destroy this unique game just so they can be happy for couple weeks before they also quit.
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#33 - 2012-05-28 02:18:38 UTC
Kaserin Smarte wrote:
Do you read what and post I mean really read it not see what you want to see?

...

I want B A L A N C E not end to ganking....for crying out loud I dont want to ruin your game so why ruin my game.

Oh, I see. You don't want to end ganking, you just want balance. My mistake.

So, in what way do you think suicide ganking should be buffed?

Oh, you don't want ganking to be buffed? You think it should be "balanced" by nerfing it? ...Again?

Yes, ladies and gentlemen, it's the classic "one more nerf" syndrome. Tell me, why weren't all of the previous nerfs to ganking sufficient to "balance" ganking to your taste? Could it be because your ship got blown up?

The fact is, whether you realize it or not, you and your fellow miners will continue to demand 'balance" via "one more nerf" until your ship stops blowing up, because that's the only complaint you really have. So yes, you do in fact want an end to ganking. That attitude cannot be tolerated.

MinerBumping.com
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#34 - 2012-05-28 02:19:51 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Kaserin Smarte wrote:
I want balance I do not want a immortal zone. I am trying to compromise find solutions to curb the big trend in ganking not get rid of it.

There is no big trend in ganking. The amount of gankers has risen along with the growth in population. I am just as safe in my hauler now as I was 6 years ago.

That's not the way arguing for gank nerfs works.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-05-28 02:33:33 UTC
Here's CCP response, HTFU whiner:

http://eve-search.com/thread/1336910-0/page/10#273

CCP Eris Discordia wrote:
Sweet!

I heartely endorse any event where people come together to defend the poor and endangered asteroid from exploitation. I've heard that recent studies have shown that asteroids experience something that might be unpleasant during mining Smile Woe you little asteroid..woe


CCP Manifest wrote:
But, like everything in New Eden, it's another example of pilots at play in the sandbox. Whatcha gonna do?
Kaserin Smarte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2012-05-28 02:39:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaserin Smarte
baltec1 wrote:
Kaserin Smarte wrote:
Kaserin Smarte wrote:
See this is utter nonsense and the drivel of a mad men. WE MINE CAUSE WE LIKE.

If you enjoy it so much, why do you do it AFK?




Do you read what and post I mean really read it not see what you want to see?

I do not afk mine I am on dscan I collect intel that only goes so far because of cloaks.

I want B A L A N C E not end to ganking....for crying out loud I dont want to ruin your game so why ruin my game.

MIners are not your only target they are just easy kills for you so you only have to risk a catalyst. PVP again players that PVP not people who want to play the PVE side of the game.

So you want to make our game harder and your game easier by not wardecin. Sounds like you dont understand the mechanics of EVE and how to play the game.

Your ego is showing....


It is balanced, all you have to do is fit a tank.


How do you fit a tank to a covetor or a retty?
And how do I tank 5 catalysts?

That onlyw works for hulks and we all know hulks are not the only target.
Also am I suppose to only fly a hulk tanked or fly a covetor that is a less likely a target which really sint.
And if i am not suppose to fly those ships why are they in the game?

This is not a viable tactic because the gankers have many solutions to it.

Now allowing the covetor to be tanked and uping its resist and stats on the barges/exhumers a bit might help.
Kaserin Smarte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2012-05-28 02:41:07 UTC
Vaal Erit wrote:
Here's CCP response, HTFU whiner:

http://eve-search.com/thread/1336910-0/page/10#273

CCP Eris Discordia wrote:
Sweet!

I heartely endorse any event where people come together to defend the poor and endangered asteroid from exploitation. I've heard that recent studies have shown that asteroids experience something that might be unpleasant during mining Smile Woe you little asteroid..woe


CCP Manifest wrote:
But, like everything in New Eden, it's another example of pilots at play in the sandbox. Whatcha gonna do?



Did you even read what I posted? You guys are not arguing what I said you are making straw men.
Kaserin Smarte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2012-05-28 02:42:30 UTC
Ludi Burek wrote:
I too would like a dev response Roll

on

when they plan on banning these forum griefers who want to destroy this unique game just so they can be happy for couple weeks before they also quit.


I am trying to have a constructive discussion alas i should have tooken into acount that forums are full of trolls. Who only want to argue there points they see and not the issue at hand.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#39 - 2012-05-28 02:50:15 UTC
Kaserin Smarte wrote:


How do you fit a tank to a covetor or a retty?
And how do I tank 5 catalysts?

That onlyw works for hulks and we all know hulks are not the only target.
Also am I suppose to only fly a hulk tanked or fly a covetor that is a less likely a target which really sint.
And if i am not suppose to fly those ships why are they in the game?

This is not a viable tactic because the gankers have many solutions to it.


[Covetor, New Setup 1]
Damage Control II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II

Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

Use a +2 implant and that will out tank any destroyer. 90% of ganks on miners are by a single destroyer because thats how they make a profit.

[Retriever, New Setup 1]
Damage Control II
Co-Processor II

Small Shield Extender II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Mining Drone II x5
+1 implant, should see off most destroyers.
Shian Yang
#40 - 2012-05-28 02:50:18 UTC
Kaserin Smarte wrote:
Ludi Burek wrote:
I too would like a dev response Roll

on

when they plan on banning these forum griefers who want to destroy this unique game just so they can be happy for couple weeks before they also quit.


I am trying to have a constructive discussion alas i should have tooken into acount that forums are full of trolls. Who only want to argue there points they see and not the issue at hand.


Greetings capsuleer,

Disagreement is a fundamental tenent of New Eden. You cannot expect to speak your mind and be treated as reasonable when you are unwilling to extend another the same courtesy.

Capsuleer Burek disagrees with your premise. He believes you fail to understand the core principles of New Eden - that being there is conflict, a war for scarce resources and that you and only you are responsible for your own safety.

Do not diminish his view unless you want yours discarded as well.

Regards,

Shian Yang
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