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Mining Profession Removal
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Vicata Heth
Sensible People
Sigma Grindset
#41 - 2012-05-28 02:03:53 UTC
Mining wouldn't need to be removed if CCP did their job and got rid of bots. Because then mining would actually be profitable, and the only people doing it wouldn't be semi-afk, or idiots that don't understand opportunity cost. These are the prime targets of gankers too, surprise surprise.

I don't have some fancy computer degree or anything, but I've got programming experience. I don't think it's that hard to determine if someone is a bot however. Have they been spamming Jita local with scams 23 hours a day for the past 7 days? Pretty good chance it's a bot. Have they been mining in the same system 23 hours a day, for the past 7 days? Probably a bot. Come on it's not rocket science, quit forcing crap we don't want (walking in stations, new crippled inventory) on us, and actually do something that makes the game better.
Buschwhacker
Happy Trails
#42 - 2012-05-28 02:04:06 UTC
bongsmoke wrote:
look, this is about YOUR opinions, not starting fights/petitions. It is a serious question that I want to see what the community at large believes (yes, i know forums are minority). Everyone's opinion counts as much as anyone else's. But, I am curious to what people would think, would it break the game? gankers and indy corps unsub? mission carebears become the dominate roll....

You get the idea



Are u a goon alt ? Either way your acting like a goon total moron!! Game is built around mining, take it out and the game collapses. Geez even hardcore PVPers would have to mine then and I'm sure they would love it. HeHeHe
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#43 - 2012-05-28 02:08:27 UTC
Buschwhacker wrote:
Are u a goon alt ? Either way your acting like a goon total moron!! Game is built around mining, take it out and the game collapses. Geez even hardcore PVPers would have to mine then and I'm sure they would love it. HeHeHe

He he he ~

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Yonis Kador
KADORCORP
#44 - 2012-05-28 02:09:03 UTC
There are sheep and there are wolves in EVE.

Kill all the sheep and the wolves starve.

Yonis Kador
Zeko Rena
ENCOM Industries
#45 - 2012-05-28 02:16:25 UTC
Why not remove everything from EVE and make it so that players are a spec of space dust, and you just slowly float across systems, systems with really high res back drops to look at, and ocasually another player will float past Lol
bongsmoke
Visine Red
420 Chronicles of EvE
#46 - 2012-05-28 02:22:25 UTC
lol, quit derailing my thread people.........

IF you think the current system is fine, they say that.

IF you think the current system needs improvement, please post it.

IF you think I am a goon alt whom bashes goons on half my posts, intelligence is not your friend and you should biomass yourself.

IF you cannot be constructive, please just dont post.

IF you cant read past the title of the thread, please just dont post.

I think something needs to be done to help balance mining personally, either increase in payout for mining, cheaper mining ships, better insurance for mining ships, better tank for mining ships, take your pick.

Please post ideals on improvements or changes that would benefit the game WE all like to play.
Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2012-05-28 02:27:56 UTC
No. Its never a good idea to remove content from the Sandbox. It dumbs down the sambox expierience.

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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#48 - 2012-05-28 02:36:04 UTC
There is nothing wrong with mining, it's AFK/Bot HS mining that's an issue.
Mining in null/WHs is decently profitable.

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Snow Burst
Caldari State
#49 - 2012-05-28 02:36:44 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
There is nothing wrong with mining, it's AFK/Bot HS mining that's an issue.
Mining in null/WHs is decently profitable.

cough arkonor lol

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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#50 - 2012-05-28 02:40:20 UTC
mining is fine, but they should put in some sort of isk-poker interface for miners to do while mining ore/getting ganked
Spurty
#51 - 2012-05-28 02:53:29 UTC
Please don't fly glass cannons (Ships designed for one purpose at the complete lack and disregard of safety and tank).

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/spurty/Hulk-Done-Right.jpg

took me 3 minutes to dream up this and it's got a shield booster on it.

Replace with a different mod and add in an awake logistics buddy or 3 and see if this modest life-style change has any affect on at the very least, the number and types of ships gankers have to invest in to get the job done.

Stop moaning, start planning

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#52 - 2012-05-28 02:56:13 UTC
[Hulk, New Setup 1]
Damage Control II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II

Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

32k tank +4 implant needed

[Hulk, New Setup 2]
Damage Control II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Small Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II
Survey Scanner II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

22.4k tank no implants needed.
Vicata Heth
Sensible People
Sigma Grindset
#53 - 2012-05-28 02:56:33 UTC
Spurty wrote:
Please don't fly glass cannons (Ships designed for one purpose at the complete lack and disregard of safety and tank).

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/spurty/Hulk-Done-Right.jpg

took me 3 minutes to dream up this and it's got a shield booster on it.

Replace with a different mod and add in an awake logistics buddy or 3 and see if this modest life-style change has any affect on at the very least, the number and types of ships gankers have to invest in to get the job done.

Stop moaning, start planning


The problem is it isn't worth the isk/hr for you to mine with 3 of your buddies in logi. It isn't even worth the isk/hr for you to mine, unless you're doing it without effort (afk/botting). And it's that way because of botting.
Bluddwolf
Heimatar Military Industries
#54 - 2012-05-28 02:57:55 UTC
Snow Burst wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
There is nothing wrong with mining, it's AFK/Bot HS mining that's an issue.
Mining in null/WHs is decently profitable.

cough arkonor lol



I have only recently begun mining. I have also dabbled in the past with trying to see what it was like to be an Ore Thief. Both I had found to be somewhat interesting.

@ OP

Instead of removing miners I would suggest making some changes. Some have already happend with Inferno.

1. Drones now drop scrap metal and pay bounties. No more of those mineral rich alloys.

2. Miners need to be forced to actively mine. AFK mining should be eliminated. Here are my suggestions:

Allow for a small chance to "find" a rare mineral or alloy while mining all ores. However, the only way to extract the rare mineral is to actively remove it during a short time period (30 seconds). This would reward active miners and deny afk miners the same opportunity. Make these rare minerals / alloys only available from mining, and not from refining.

While mining an asteroid, there can also be a critical failure or surprise outcome from mining. An asteroid could release some sort of explosion, radiation wave, or even a dormant drone or space creature (alla Earth and Beyond). Obvously, prolonged exposure to the disaster could destroy the ship. This would aslo keep a miner active and punish the AFK miner.

These two ideas would not only make mining more fun, but it would give greater profits and punish AFK miners as well.

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Snow Burst
Caldari State
#55 - 2012-05-28 02:58:41 UTC
Vicata Heth wrote:
Spurty wrote:
Please don't fly glass cannons (Ships designed for one purpose at the complete lack and disregard of safety and tank).

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/spurty/Hulk-Done-Right.jpg

took me 3 minutes to dream up this and it's got a shield booster on it.

Replace with a different mod and add in an awake logistics buddy or 3 and see if this modest life-style change has any affect on at the very least, the number and types of ships gankers have to invest in to get the job done.

Stop moaning, start planning


The problem is it isn't worth the isk/hr for you to mine with 3 of your buddies in logi. It isn't even worth the isk/hr for you to mine, unless you're doing it without effort (afk/botting). And it's that way because of botting.

i just mine when im too tired after work other then tht i do anoms or troll about null looking for kills lol not been up for much pvp atm cuz of work though... such a ***** rl lmao

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Snow Burst
Caldari State
#56 - 2012-05-28 03:00:57 UTC
Bluddwolf wrote:
Snow Burst wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
There is nothing wrong with mining, it's AFK/Bot HS mining that's an issue.
Mining in null/WHs is decently profitable.

cough arkonor lol



I have only recently begun mining. I have also dabbled in the past with trying to see what it was like to be an Ore Thief. Both I had found to be somewhat interesting.

@ OP

Instead of removing miners I would suggest making some changes. Some have already happend with Inferno.

1. Drones now drop scrap metal and pay bounties. No more of those mineral rich alloys.

2. Miners need to be forced to actively mine. AFK mining should be eliminated. Here are my suggestions:

Allow for a small chance to "find" a rare mineral or alloy while mining all ores. However, the only way to extract the rare mineral is to actively remove it during a short time period (30 seconds). This would reward active miners and deny afk miners the same opportunity. Make these rare minerals / alloys only available from mining, and not from refining.

While mining an asteroid, there can also be a critical failure or surprise outcome from mining. An asteroid could release some sort of explosion, radiation wave, or even a dormant drone or space creature (alla Earth and Beyond). Obvously, prolonged exposure to the disaster could destroy the ship. This would aslo keep a miner active and punish the AFK miner.

These two ideas would not only make mining more fun, but it would give greater profits and punish AFK miners as well.

why shud someone be punished for being afk? they get ganked n run the risk of it so thats punishment enough. mining doesnt need any tweaks or changes just people who dont mine think they have the answers for it when they dnt realise mining provides them with ships tbh

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Axel Korgain
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#57 - 2012-05-28 03:56:22 UTC
I'd respond but that might indicate that I care.

I hate 0.0 players and the general mentality that has pervaded Eve Online.

I liked space mining. LIked building... pvp was the worst aspect but somehow people consider it the best.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#58 - 2012-05-28 04:27:11 UTC
Axel Korgain wrote:
I'd respond but that might indicate that I care.

I hate 0.0 players and the general mentality that has pervaded Eve Online.

I liked space mining. LIked building... pvp was the worst aspect but somehow people consider it the best.

I see you don't care a lot.

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#59 - 2012-05-28 04:33:15 UTC
Mathias Hex wrote:
Ya I'm sure you can get a few mil trit easily from running a couple missions.


a titan takes a few billion units of trit

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Singoth
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2012-05-28 05:20:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Singoth
Removal of an entire career, that hundreds, if not thousands of players have trained up for several months?
That's unneccesary and would lose much more subbers than ganking currently does.

Miners are the backbone of everything in the game. Of course they get ganked, it's basic warfare to cut the enemy supply lines.
With or without a super-heavy tank, gankers will just bring more people.
Missioners can be ganked just as well, and *will* be ganked if miners are gone. Mission loot is definately not equal to mining in mineral yield.


My advice for the newb miners:

- move to lowsec or nullsec. More profitable ores there. Just join a player corp/alliance for that. And it takes some guts to make a move like this. But remember: no guts, no glory.
- don't mine in Hulks, for now. Mine in Retrievers/Covetors. Costs a few hundred million less ISK, can mine almost just as good as a hulk. The much cheaper cost of a Covetor/Retriever definately outweighs the little loss in mining yield in an environment where you should expect to get killed.

Less yappin', more zappin'!