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High-End Phantasm fit?

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Jayrendo Karr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-05-27 01:33:27 UTC
[Phantasm, PHANTASTIC]

3x True Sansha Heavy Pulse Laser (Dark Blood Multifrequency M)
2x True Sansha Small Nosferatu

3x Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Gist B-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier
True Sansha Small Capacitor Booster (Navy Cap Booster 400)

2x True Sansha Power Diagnostic System
True Sansha Heat Sink

Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell II
2x Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell I

3x Hobgoblin II




Obviously an expensive ship so it would only fly in gangs with other such ships to lessen the obvious chance of primary the bling ship . I have the skills but need more to get it going really dangerous but overload can tank 1.4k assuming the modules dont burnout before the capacitor. Basically a high end fleet ship. I don't have either the isk or enough SP to fly it as well but id like to know if its even worth working towards.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#2 - 2012-05-27 01:46:15 UTC
Rather than point out the obvious problems with the fit, I'll just say this: faction pulses are a terrible, terrible idea. If you want to use pulses, you need Scorch, and that means T2 guns.

And that's just the surface of that problem.
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#3 - 2012-05-27 02:25:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Michael Harari
lol

This fit is terrible in every single way. You would really have to stretch to make it any worse
Hail Goddess
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-05-27 02:28:13 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Rather than point out the obvious problems with the fit, I'll just say this: faction pulses are a terrible, terrible idea. If you want to use pulses, you need Scorch, and that means T2 guns.

And that's just the surface of that problem.



When you're role playing. Your setup doesn't have to make sense. It just has to be faction.

Plus 1 for an amazing setup dude 07
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#5 - 2012-05-27 04:35:35 UTC
Hail Goddess wrote:
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Rather than point out the obvious problems with the fit, I'll just say this: faction pulses are a terrible, terrible idea. If you want to use pulses, you need Scorch, and that means T2 guns.

And that's just the surface of that problem.



When you're role playing. Your setup doesn't have to make sense. It just has to be faction.

Plus 1 for an amazing setup dude 07


The Sansha don't particularly like the Caldari Navy. If you are roleplaying, you should be fitting a faction module that is more friendly to the Sansha. Blink

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#6 - 2012-05-27 04:57:45 UTC
FT Diomedes wrote:
The Sansha don't particularly like the Caldari Navy. If you are roleplaying, you should be fitting a faction module that is more friendly to the Sansha. Blink


armor tank ftw! :p

I guess the other question is what are you using it for?

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Liam Mirren
#7 - 2012-05-27 07:43:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Liam Mirren
The fit makes no sense as it seems to have no role, faction pulses make no sense and without tackle it doesn't work in pvp. Also in fleets you really don't want to use a faction ship/fit like that because it means you'll be primaried each and every time. Do not think that ship size/cost will help you survive pvp if you're inexperienced, it won't and all it'll be is a hilariously expensive lossmail.

Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.

Jayrendo Karr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-05-27 07:46:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Jayrendo Karr
Its not for roleplaying its just a generic fit, i just chose TS mods because i thought they were the best laser fation equipent, like I said it wouldnt be a solo ship. It would be used in gangs of high end ships (machs vindis snake command ships etc).I dont plan on flying it soon but all im asking is for fitting advice.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#9 - 2012-05-27 08:47:51 UTC
Jayrendo Karr wrote:
Its not for roleplaying its just a generic fit, i just chose TS mods because i thought they were the best laser fation equipent, like I said it wouldnt be a solo ship. It would be used in gangs of high end ships (machs vindis snake command ships etc).I dont plan on flying it soon but all im asking is for fitting advice.


No Prop, No Point, No Scorch, No Chance

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#10 - 2012-05-27 14:12:10 UTC
Jayrendo Karr wrote:
Its not for roleplaying its just a generic fit, i just chose TS mods because i thought they were the best laser fation equipent, like I said it wouldnt be a solo ship. It would be used in gangs of high end ships (machs vindis snake command ships etc).I dont plan on flying it soon but all im asking is for fitting advice.


You clearly have no idea how anything works. This is worse than a t1 fitted rifter for pvp, and worse than a rupture for pve.
george harries
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-05-27 15:02:39 UTC  |  Edited by: george harries
Without going into detail you should take on board a few things, faction mods can be useful if used to enhance the attributes of the ship - eg faction point on a ship that gets a bonus for point.

Faction lasers as already pointed out, can't use T2 ammo so for pulse you really need Scorch ammo - so T2 guns

By having to fit PDU's you have a gimped fit as those two low slots could be used for more gank and/or mods to assist the guns

Ditto for your rigs - having to fit 3 memory cells says you just don't have the power - unless you fitted based upon your skills rather than skills at 5 - one I can understand but you could use the other slots for shield and/or gank

Try looking at it (possibly) with shield extenders in the rig slots (possibly an EM rig ?) more gank in the lows.

Mids - well you're kind of on the right track but you need propulsion mod and possibly tackle - unless you are aiming just to do DPS and expecting to be running with some tacklers in a group

It's just too damn expensive for what you would like to use it for and just won't be optimal with this set up.

Saying all that the Phantasm isn't used a lot in PvP - I'm sure people do use it with success but youre fit gimps what it could do.

In all honesty - try another cruiser that uses similar mods (amarr) see how they work, skill up shield and secondary sklills (engineering, electronics etc) then see on a few months if you think the Phantasm is the way to go.
Unimaginative Guy
Dutch Squad
#12 - 2012-05-27 16:06:45 UTC
This fit fails so hard...like too hard for a troll its just sickening.

0/10
Daneel Trevize
Give my 11percent back
#13 - 2012-05-27 16:50:22 UTC
OP is looking for the following fit. Obviously for use with Tengu and Loki links, and drugs, etc.

Quote:
[Phantasm, baby nightmare with web not X-L 100mn AB?!]

Damage Control II
True Sansha Heat Sink
True Sansha Heat Sink

Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
True Sansha Medium Capacitor Booster, Navy Cap Booster 800
True Sansha Warp Scrambler
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Core X-Type 100MN Afterburner

Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Dark Blood Small Energy Neutralizer
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Dark Blood Small Energy Neutralizer
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M

Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard II
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II


Warrior II x3


Crystal Alpha
Crystal Beta
Crystal Gamma
Crystal Delta
Crystal Epsilon
Crystal Omega
Inherent Implants 'Lancer' Controlled Bursts CB-705
Inherent Implants 'Lancer' Medium Energy Turret ME-805
Eifyr and Co. 'Gunslinger' Surgical Strike SS-905
Grainsalt
Independent'R'Us
#14 - 2012-05-27 20:03:12 UTC
Daneel Trevize wrote:
OP is looking for the following fit. Obviously for use with Tengu and Loki links, and drugs, etc.

Quote:
[Phantasm, baby nightmare with web not X-L 100mn AB?!]

Damage Control II
True Sansha Heat Sink
True Sansha Heat Sink

Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
True Sansha Medium Capacitor Booster, Navy Cap Booster 800
True Sansha Warp Scrambler
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Core X-Type 100MN Afterburner

Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Dark Blood Small Energy Neutralizer
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Dark Blood Small Energy Neutralizer
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M

Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard II
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II


Warrior II x3


Crystal Alpha
Crystal Beta
Crystal Gamma
Crystal Delta
Crystal Epsilon
Crystal Omega
Inherent Implants 'Lancer' Controlled Bursts CB-705
Inherent Implants 'Lancer' Medium Energy Turret ME-805
Eifyr and Co. 'Gunslinger' Surgical Strike SS-905


Why on earth?
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#15 - 2012-05-27 20:09:52 UTC
Grainsalt wrote:

Why on earth?


Everyone likes dying to a hurricane in a fancy fit
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#16 - 2012-05-27 21:10:31 UTC
Daneel Trevize wrote:
OP is looking for the following fit. Obviously for use with Tengu and Loki links, and drugs, etc.

Quote:
[Phantasm, baby nightmare with web not X-L 100mn AB?!]



Why not Zoidberg?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Arch Stanton's Neighbour
Forceful Resource Acquisition Inc
#17 - 2012-05-27 21:45:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Arch Stanton's Neighbour
Jayrendo Karr wrote:
Obviously an expensive ship so it would only fly in gangs with other such ships to lessen the obvious chance of primary the bling ship . I have the skills but need more to get it going really dangerous but overload can tank 1.4k assuming the modules dont burnout before the capacitor. Basically a high end fleet ship. I don't have either the isk or enough SP to fly it as well but id like to know if its even worth working towards.


Hi, props for the willingness to learn and asking questions.

First off your fit sucks balls because the cap will last about 20 seconds before your bling ship becomes a stationary target.

Secondly the whole point of lasers is using scorch. If you're flying lasers without scorch you're not coming across as a good player. T2 medium lasers don't take that long to train for.

So to start sucking less you'll want to pay attention to how long your cap lasts, how much cap you're booster is giving and how much the mods are consuming. For that reason using an X-Large shield booster is simply dumb.

There are two ways to fit a phantasm for active tank:

Large shield booster + 2 x Medium Core Def Cap Safeguard II
or
Medium shield booster + 2 x Medium Core Def Oper Solidifier II

The remaining rig should be a t2 anti-em.

Either of those ways you get a decent tank that will last until you run out of cap charges.

If your budget is as flexible as you imply try an a-type med shield booster, cald navy boost amp, t2 invuln for goot tank and low cap comsumption. If you wont be using point throw another boost amp there. All fueled by a t2 medium cap booster plus the mentioned rigs. Dont forget a prop - mwd or ab at least.

Good luck.
Alain Badiou
Combine Honnete 0ber Advancer Mercantiles
#18 - 2012-05-27 22:09:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Alain Badiou
Never tried an active tanke setup for Phantasm, but this is what i have rolled with in the past. Buffer fit with 39K shields with my skills. Way cheaper than your fit and far more survivable with the added bonus that when you die the loss mail isn't hilarious.

edit - DB HS for fitting I think, plus i had it lying around. Poor phantasm screams for more cpu...

[Phantasm]

3x Heavy Pulse Laser II (Scorch M)
Salvager I
Small Nosferatu II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
2x Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I (Cap Booster 800)
Warp Disruptor II

Heat Sink II
Dark Blood Heat Sink
Power Diagnostic System II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
2x Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

3x Hornet EC-300
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-05-27 22:35:56 UTC
this thread just got me thinking: can a reasonable fit phantasm handle a C2? it would be pretty convenient to loot and salvage while running the sites and not risk too much isk while soloing them.

I should buy an Ishtar.

RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#20 - 2012-05-27 22:54:51 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
this thread just got me thinking: can a reasonable fit phantasm handle a C2? it would be pretty convenient to loot and salvage while running the sites and not risk too much isk while soloing them.

This, maybe? Haven't done much WH stuff, but I suspect a Cane or Harbi will do better cheaper (and the Cane'll have the same utility highs).

[Phantasm, C2?]

Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Damage Control II

10MN Afterburner II
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 150
Shield Boost Amplifier II
EM Ward Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Salvager II
Salvager II

Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Energy Discharge Elutriation II
Medium Energy Discharge Elutriation II

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

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