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Lord Zim Gallente Federation Likes received: 2,451	#161 - 2012-05-27 19:24:19 UTC What blueball? Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. RIP Vile Rat

Zagdul

Federal Navy Academy

Gallente Federation

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#162 - 2012-05-27 19:31:04 UTC

Devious Relation wrote:

So CCP have "balanced" incursions due to "risk vs isk" or thats the stand they will take on this, not going to go into details.

I have recently just been made aware of this "O-Tec" agreement between TEST, Raiden, CFC, PL, NCDot which basicaly means, who ever owns the tec moons currently will keep them. Now this simple agreement has completely removed the risk from owning such moons and therefore needs adressing.

The only reason incursions became relativly "risk free" was because of the awsome communitys made. THAT IS ALL

Now this o-tec agreement is in place, i think that should be nuked from orbit

This agreement effects 90% of the tech moons, how are new commers, the smaller corps/alliances ment to even get started?
Its things like this that put new people off and eventualy will be the death of the game

I don't think you realize the amount of isk, effort, risk and time that went into getting the Tech we hold.

Really, I don't think you grasp the months of diplomacy, agreements and work leadership went though to properly keep some entities blue, others neut.

I don't think you get the amount of capital ships, fuel used and ammo to shoot all those structures. The trillions in isk spent in reimbursements for the fights we had to capture the income. I don't think you get the whole risk vs. reward thing nor effort vs. reward in this game.

Incursions =/= effort or risk. It's a horrible comparison.

And yeah, now that we've taken it. We will use space politics and build an empire to protect it and keep it.

Dual Pane idea: Click!

CCP Please Implement

Alaekessa

Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.

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#163 - 2012-05-27 19:32:02 UTC

Ziranda Hakuli wrote:

I agree the moons...and i mean ALL of them need to be looked at but sadly the ideas that CCP has i feel will not come into affect till winter expansion.......and that's if we a freakin lucky.

We all know that the Tech moons were the answers to the R64 moons. North vs South moons. what CCP did is that who ever it was got an ego trip and hilmar went along with as they both had their heads up each other's ass.

what should have been done is simple. I know they got a program that auto seeds the moon and sets in the data base. makes life easy. Reset the moons where there is a balance of moon goo and and Tech moons in all of 0.0 space, easiest fix they can do now and **** off all the 0.0 alliances at the same time.

when the winter expansion rolls around and the new bling bling of shield statics when there is an impact on them will be an awsome time to implement Ring Mining.....yes be an awsome way to remove the risk of moon mining to a risky mining operation with the Exhumers.

Yes that means you 0.0 carebear cousins would need to find miners to gather this. I will have no problem mining the stuff but i am not paying you to be there or be blue. you are paying me!

I agree that the moons need to be reevaluated. I personally think that they should all slowly deplete and then need to be rescanned to discover what else is available to be mined. Maybe make it so that when the moon is surveyed, it tells you what the moons composition is XX% this, YY% that etc. Might also be a good idea to make the moons composed in large majority by ores that are available in the system with smaller quantities of the more valuable typical moon mining resources. However, I also think that if moons were to be composed of primarily ores, every moon should have a composition (rather than many having nothing worth exploiting) and any ore extraction should be handled more like PI than the moon harvesting we have now (which is still how I feel the rarer resources should be harvested).


Lord Zim Gallente Federation Likes received: 2,451	#164 - 2012-05-27 19:36:28 UTC Alaekessa wrote: I personally think that they should all slowly deplete and then need to be rescanned to discover what else is available to be mined. Sounds like a recipe for even higher moongoo prices. Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. RIP Vile Rat

Vaerah Vahrokha

Vahrokh Consulting

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#165 - 2012-05-27 19:39:01 UTC

Jessie-A Tassik wrote:

Are you worried your unearned wealth will be taken away?

You claim you fought hard for it, but did you really? And was that fight REALLY risky enough to justify your reward?

I say that you DID NOT earn that much wealth, and it should be removed TODAY.

About 1/4 your current tech moon income would be fair, I think.

Risk/Reward baby, Risk/Reward.

Since it's unearned and not REALLY risky enough to justify the reward, what about you go there and take it?

I mean, you pictured a walk in the park, it should not be hard, shouldn't it?

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Mortimer Civeri

Aliastra

Gallente Federation

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#166 - 2012-05-27 19:43:35 UTC

sweetrock wrote:

You jsut said it yourself, you dont give a F about incursions goons or tech, so please reframe from posting in threads which are specificaly started to talk about them. If you dont have a opinion because you dont give a F then dont post. SImple

Maybe go make a thread about "inventing guns"

I like to point out the stupid, whiny, crybabies, {like you} and laugh.

"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin

Alaekessa

Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.

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#167 - 2012-05-27 19:51:05 UTC

Lord Zim wrote:

Alaekessa wrote:

I personally think that they should all slowly deplete and then need to be rescanned to discover what else is available to be mined.

Sounds like a recipe for even higher moongoo prices.

Yes, it does. However, if it worked out the way I'm imagining it, it would distribute that wealth among a larger percentage of the population as well as making OTECH obsolete (unless of course they wanted to go around and scan EVERY moon in EVERY system and make their operation nomadic).

Yes, prices would rise, but what happens when that Tech moon you are sitting on depletes and you find that you're now stuck with Atmospheric Gases/1? Also, imagine how ecstatic Joe Schmoe Newguy becomes when he realizes that he's just struck the motherload in Ingunn?

Higher prices? Yes. Overall beneficial to the playerbase? IMHO, Yes.

sweetrock

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#168 - 2012-05-27 19:56:50 UTC

Mortimer Civeri wrote:

sweetrock wrote:

I like to point out the stupid, whiny, crybabies, {like you} and laugh.

whats that word...... oh yeah hypocrite


Lord Zim Gallente Federation Likes received: 2,451	#169 - 2012-05-27 19:57:42 UTC Pretty certain a more palatable solution for everyone is an expansion of alchemy to deal with R32s as well, along with maybe ringmining (if CCP are still actually going to implement that). Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. RIP Vile Rat

Doomheim 8
Caecilia Arene Doomheim Likes received: 8	#170 - 2012-05-27 20:00:27 UTC I seriously think everyone knows the issues. The people involved, those who like the status quo, those against, CCP and just about everyone else. How many threads do we need on the issue? Going on 3 a day .


sweetrock Likes received: 63	#171 - 2012-05-27 20:01:11 UTC Lord Zim wrote: Pretty certain a more palatable solution for everyone is an expansion of alchemy to deal with R32s as well, along with maybe ringmining (if CCP are still actually going to implement that). Havent heard about alchemy R32's, sounds like something from WoW or other stick and board rpgs. However i do agree with ringmining.

sweetrock

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#172 - 2012-05-27 20:02:21 UTC

Caecilia Arene wrote:

I seriously think everyone knows the issues. The people involved, those who like the status quo, those against, CCP and just about everyone else.

How many threads do we need on the issue? Going on 3 a day Roll

The more threads there are the more likely a speedy solution is implamented.

If you have a twinge do you go to the doctor? no you ignore it.

Cut your arm off however thats another story

Caecilia Arene

Doomheim

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#173 - 2012-05-27 20:08:36 UTC

sweetrock wrote:

Caecilia Arene wrote:

The more threads there are the more likely a speedy solution is implemented...

Yes and no. It's easier to identify the issue but a lot harder to come up with a viable alternative to something which has been in the game and thus the economy forever.

Push too hard and we may all end up with a half arsed solution which doesn't help anyone Blink

sweetrock

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#174 - 2012-05-27 20:10:35 UTC

Caecilia Arene wrote:

sweetrock wrote:

Caecilia Arene wrote:

The more threads there are the more likely a speedy solution is implemented...

Yes i do agree with you its such a massive part of the game it would require doing correctly. Just look at CCP's meat fisted approach to incursions. Luckily for them that was only a few people they put thier nose out, but do that to the whole ecconomy could be another story

Caecilia Arene

Doomheim

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#175 - 2012-05-27 20:20:21 UTC | Edited by: Caecilia Arene

sweetrock wrote:

Caecilia Arene wrote:

sweetrock wrote:

Caecilia Arene wrote:

The more threads there are the more likely a speedy solution is implemented...

Exactly. I'm not an industrialist but from what I know the moon goo is the basis for T2 production. Stuff that up and there'll be chaos.

I absolutely agree, in principle, that passive income like this has to be removed to something exploration. However, the chances for catastrophe is much higher than in most new enhancements or fixes.

That being said, "Get to it CCP!". Cool

EDIT: Grammer

Alavaria Fera

GoonWaffe

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#176 - 2012-05-27 20:20:26 UTC

Caecilia Arene wrote:

sweetrock wrote:

The more threads there are the more likely a speedy solution is implemented...

Ring-miningageddon.

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Lord Zim

Gallente Federation

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#177 - 2012-05-27 20:48:41 UTC

Caecilia Arene wrote:

I absolutely agree, in principle, that passive income like this has to be removed to something exploration. However, the chances for catastrophe is much higher than in most new enhancements or fixes.

Which of these activities are passive, and order them in the order of passivity, least passive first:

Planetary Interaction
Mining
Moon mining
Datacores
Ratting
Moon reaction
Mission

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

sweetrock

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#178 - 2012-05-27 20:55:44 UTC

Lord Zim wrote:

Caecilia Arene wrote:

I absolutely agree, in principle, that passive income like this has to be removed to something exploration. However, the chances for catastrophe is much higher than in most new enhancements or fixes.

Which of these activities are passive, and order them in the order of passivity, least passive first:

Planetary Interaction
Mining
Moon mining
Datacores
Ratting
Moon reaction
Mission

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Datacores
Moonmining
PI
moon reacion? - not familiar with this
mining
mission
ratting

However the way i have prioritised the list changes significantly with the over abundance of bots on this game.

baltec1

Bat Country

Pandemic Horde

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#179 - 2012-05-27 20:58:53 UTC

Lord Zim wrote:

Caecilia Arene wrote:

I absolutely agree, in principle, that passive income like this has to be removed to something exploration. However, the chances for catastrophe is much higher than in most new enhancements or fixes.

Which of these activities are passive, and order them in the order of passivity, least passive first:

Planetary Interaction
Mining
Moon mining
Datacores
Ratting
Moon reaction
Mission

You forgot production Blink

Jessie-A Tassik

Pator Tech School

Minmatar Republic

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#180 - 2012-05-27 21:29:24 UTC | Edited by: Jessie-A Tassik

Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

Jessie-A Tassik wrote:

Since it's unearned and not REALLY risky enough to justify the reward, what about you go there and take it?

I mean, you pictured a walk in the park, it should not be hard, shouldn't it?

The first step to that is me receiving the few trillion in unearned ISK you received from the moons.

When Goons took the moons, the piled up wealth did not exist. Because the tech moons had only just been created, and tech wasn't nearly as expensive. Even Goons can't take moons from established players without CCP nerfing Titans for them.

I know, I know, you play dumb and I don't call you on it.

Oh, and un-nerf titans and then you can re-fight that Alliance you took some moons from.

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