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Guidelines and advice for setting ransoms

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Cattegirn
Imperial Guardians
Tactical Narcotics Team
#41 - 2011-10-02 02:42:11 UTC
Andrea Griffin wrote:
[quote=Zoe Alarhun]

I think your post was excellent.
Xaphenus
Divide By Zero
#42 - 2011-10-02 18:44:21 UTC
NEVER pay a ransom, most will not honor it anyway , you'll end up losing twice your ship and the isk; best advice go down with your ship and fight to the death! Twisted
Xylorn Hasher
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#43 - 2011-10-03 18:56:39 UTC
Mean Coallition honour ransoms.

If any of it's pilot brake that rule ( we have only this one rule ) ISK for ransom will be returned and pirate will be podded as an example for others.

We ransom ships rarely, its better to have greasy killmail than ISK in most situations, but we ransom Pods whenever we can.
Price depends of victim age.
New players are ransomed for 10-50m usually, older for few hundreds.
We do not ransom on gates, stations unless we are ready for potential trouble.

All my posts are made shortly after Marihuana consumption.
Jacob cirth
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2011-10-04 17:09:40 UTC
You would be surprised how rarely "word" gets around if a particular pilot honors ransoms or not. More often than not, the victim has never heard of you, people they tell will forget, and the next person you catch will never have heard of you.
Baaldor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#45 - 2011-10-04 17:42:58 UTC
Xaphenus wrote:
NEVER pay a ransom, most will not honor it anyway , you'll end up losing twice your ship and the isk; best advice go down with your ship and fight to the death! Twisted


6 one way, half a dozen of another. I win either way.

As a mater of fact I would prefer your corpse, loot and tears anyway, especially if you are going to sport the e-honor crap.
Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis
#46 - 2011-10-04 22:09:10 UTC
Baaldor wrote:
Xaphenus wrote:
NEVER pay a ransom, most will not honor it anyway , you'll end up losing twice your ship and the isk; best advice go down with your ship and fight to the death! Twisted


6 one way, half a dozen of another. I win either way.

As a mater of fact I would prefer your corpse, loot and tears anyway, especially if you are going to sport the e-honor crap.

Eh, I don't see him being particularly Internet-Knightly here, more just realistic.

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Baaldor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#47 - 2011-10-05 00:07:54 UTC
Iam Widdershins wrote:
Baaldor wrote:
Xaphenus wrote:
NEVER pay a ransom, most will not honor it anyway , you'll end up losing twice your ship and the isk; best advice go down with your ship and fight to the death! Twisted


6 one way, half a dozen of another. I win either way.

As a mater of fact I would prefer your corpse, loot and tears anyway, especially if you are going to sport the e-honor crap.

Eh, I don't see him being particularly Internet-Knightly here, more just realistic.


Yes, docked up and gleaming scads of information from the noob channel to get that special "realistic" perspective.
Tamiya Sarossa
Resistance is Character Forming
#48 - 2011-10-05 00:44:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Tamiya Sarossa
In general, I only pay ransoms to groups I'm familiar with, but it's generally very very easy to tell if someone is the kind of person who will hono~u~r them - you get a feel for it after awhile.

On the other hand, I rarely ask for ransoms because 99% of the time I'm fighting people who outgun me/running from blobs and not dying is the top priority, but I find if you hang around one area and are ~chill~ the locals will get pretty familiar with you and be willing to pay ransoms/encourage others to if you're a chill space brosef. I still don't do it often because of -meh- rewards, but it's a nice option to have when you feel bad about popping shitfit t1 BS you caught and are trying to take it easy on the sec. Just be polite and walk them through the process and in general don't be a douche and many will pay up.

EDIT: Oh and yeah go for ship value/or base it off age of character. I'll pay a lot for convenience, and so will many other older players.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#49 - 2011-10-05 04:40:36 UTC
Hmmm....


We can pull up stats on every system we go to via the map controls.


Too bad there's no "ransoms honored" stat, or a "ransoms dishonored" stat.


Just saying.


I wonder if that would affect traffic in a system? Anybody?


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Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis
#50 - 2011-10-05 04:48:50 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Hmmm....


We can pull up stats on every system we go to via the map controls.


Too bad there's no "ransoms honored" stat, or a "ransoms dishonored" stat.


Just saying.


I wonder if that would affect traffic in a system? Anybody?




I would just spam "ransom honoured" in every system I went to or planned on living in.

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Slimy Worm
Go Petition Blizzard
Safety.
#51 - 2011-10-05 05:24:53 UTC
Use a countdown. "You have 20 seconds to pay or I blow up your ship."

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18...
Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis
#52 - 2011-10-05 05:27:05 UTC
Slimy Worm wrote:
Use a countdown. "You have 20 seconds to pay or I blow up your ship."

20
19
18...

Nah dude, just tell them they have 20 seconds, wait for them to pay, then blow 'em up for being late. Simple as.

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Msgerbs
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2011-10-05 06:54:11 UTC
Miney Prospector wrote:
I got intercepted in a very nicely fit faction cruiser while taking a short cut through low sec. I paid the ransom, the request of which matched the going price of ship, because of the +5's I had plugged in. The guys who caught me were pros, and not just a few guys who got lucky. There was no chance of escaping in my pod. They might have gone ahead and blown the ship and me up if I paid, but I knew for a fact they would if I didn't. If I had crap implants in I would have let them blow it up and spent the cost of the ship to just buy a new ship. The main thing is if you get caught is to keep a level head and not just react out of anger. Once you're in the situation getting emotional about it isn't productive. As far as requesting ransoms, I'd say go for a little under the price of the hull because like I said, if I had been in a different clone I would not have paid the ransom for just the ship as I could just as easily spend the 'ransom' not paid on buying a new ship. Also keep in mind that some ships are just for fun or a novelty and paying a large amount to keep it intact may not be that desirable for the hostage since the ship isn't actually crucial for anything.

You should always be able to get your pod out in lowsec. Unless you're in some imaginary system with no stations, no planets, no sun, and only 1 gate, you should always be able to.
Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis
#54 - 2011-10-05 07:01:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Iam Widdershins
Msgerbs wrote:

You should always be able to get your pod out in lowsec. Unless you're in some imaginary system with no stations, no planets, no sun, and only 1 gate, you should always be able to.

That would be a pretty cool system.

They could put it over in the lowsec pocket by the EVE gate and name it Accident.

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guska Cryotank
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2011-10-05 07:44:11 UTC
I normally forget to stop shooting long enough to ransom...
Krono Black
Inferior By Design
#56 - 2011-10-05 17:04:28 UTC
while i have never ransom someone i have been ransom a couple times. i for one have never paid because pirates break the rules ive listed..

If i am flying a ship worth 100mil im not going to give you 200 mil in a ransom. so dont ask so high.

Covertors are not hulks, a big issue i see with pirates is they see a mining barge and assume its worth alot of isk. Wrong.

Dont ask for 100 mil when im flying a covertor its a 20mil isk ship.

try to make sure you have the person locked down...... alot of pirates i have run into think just because you shot me once im going to pay. if its a stabbed ship their gonna run.

Dont add the price of the pod in the ransom. if their in a ship ask for the ship. most players, and ALL carebears assume they will get their pod out.

and always honor your ransom. you build a rep for not honoring your ransoms and no on will pay. Carebears do talk to one another.
Baaldor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#57 - 2011-10-05 18:56:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Baaldor
Krono Black wrote:
while i have never ransom someone i have been ransom a couple times. i for one have never paid because pirates break the rules ive listed..

If i am flying a ship worth 100mil im not going to give you 200 mil in a ransom. so dont ask so high.

Covertors are not hulks, a big issue i see with pirates is they see a mining barge and assume its worth alot of isk. Wrong.

Dont ask for 100 mil when im flying a covertor its a 20mil isk ship.

try to make sure you have the person locked down...... alot of pirates i have run into think just because you shot me once im going to pay. if its a stabbed ship their gonna run.

Dont add the price of the pod in the ransom. if their in a ship ask for the ship. most players, and ALL carebears assume they will get their pod out.

and always honor your ransom. you build a rep for not honoring your ransoms and no on will pay. Carebears do talk to one another.


It does not make any sense, what so ever, not to honor a ransom if you enjoy making the isk in that fashion. Problem lies in the whining of emo raging nerds flooding the pub channels showing everyone where the bad man touched them.

But here is the problem, people use the term pirates pretty loosely.

You guys call Goons, Mercs of any kind, RA, -A-, Orphanage, or any one that happens to shoot at you pirates. They may be gay in the way they enjoy pushing your **** in, but not pirates.

So if they happen to catch you, ransom you, then kill you....yeah that is how they roll. Pay attention to who operates in your area, you should know who they are and how they operate for the most part.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#58 - 2011-10-05 19:31:25 UTC
If for some reason I am ransoming someone in highsec how likely I am to actually honor it is entierly dependent on how annoying it is to deal with the person and how much he/she cries about the situation.

If someone spends several minutes screaming abuse at me in local, then when I convo them continues to cry endlessly, insult me and takes ages to respond to my messages the chances are that I'm just going to blow him up anyway to make him cry more. At this point I will consider declaring war on his corp because people like that are fun to shoot at.

But if they guy responds promptly, agrees to the proposed sum and they pay it all up front then the guy can go home with his ship.

As for amount, hull + half the rig cost is fine for most stuff that isn't loaded with faction mods.
Ka Jolo
The Tuskers
#59 - 2011-10-05 22:03:22 UTC
Something I've observed is that, whereas anonymous carebears are likely not to pay ransoms, experienced PVPers (including many pirates) are much more "trusting" and much more likely to pay. No doubt many of us who frequent this particular forum have a better-than-average idea of who does and doesn't honor ransoms.
SC0T1SH WARRIOR
Zero For 0wned
#60 - 2011-10-06 04:13:31 UTC  |  Edited by: SC0T1SH WARRIOR
Personal Rules: Never pay any ransom, regardless of what implants/ship you are losing, pod express me everytime.

if ransoming, any number kinda close to the price of whatever is pointed does. (take into consideration the amount of shinies on the ship though)
if they pay. shoot them summore, if they are still in ransom channel/chat after you shoot again..ransom again for half of what they just paid.
(Most of the time, this will yield a "i only have X amount left... then take X amount )

Then pop the ship.

Dont mind me,  just touching your stuff.