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So... Log-offski has virtually been fixed... what about log-onski?
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Emizeko Chai
Freight Club
#21 - 2012-05-26 16:53:42 UTC
Selinate wrote:

According to CCP's fix. What part of that was hard to read?


It wasn't hard to read, but it was hard to make any sense out of. You're not explaining how you reach that conclusion; you're also misinformed about the policy around this issue.

He's asking you where it says that because you're wrong about the policy, and therefore he knows you can't point to anything that backs up your statements.

Listen, rather than razz you about how wildly misinformed you are I'll just lay it out for you: reconnection and disconnection are never exploits. The realities of networked communication admit no other workable line to be drawn.

Complaining about this is like complaining about rain -- you can either walk around soaked and miserable, or you can get an umbrella.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#22 - 2012-05-26 17:04:40 UTC
Heh heh, the log on trap.

It's pretty great, the patience of some of these people who wait for say 30mins before logging in and catching someone unawares.

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Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#23 - 2012-05-26 17:22:07 UTC
Selinate wrote:
Renan Ruivo wrote:
You should know better than to presume things and then act as if the opinion you create based on those presumptions were supposed to hold any sort of value. Check your information and then you're allowed to criticize something.


I am not presuming anything[...]


Yes you are:

Selinate wrote:
Logging off when being attacked is an equally opportune moment to log off and save your ship, even though that is considered cheating


Selinate wrote:
Gorki Andropov wrote:
Is logging off in the middle of battle really cheating? I don't know about you, but EVE really struggles with my dial-up connection (yes really) when any sort of battle or grouping of players comes onto grid. Very occasionally, the connection is dropped. Am I cheating?


According to CCP's fix, yes you are.


You say that CCP considered the logoffsky cheating, when they did not. I do not need to prove that someone didn't do a thing. You are the one that need to bring proof of your claim.


So again, logoffsky was not cheating and logging on to trap people is also not considered cheating. If you want to claim that those things are cheating by CCP, you need proof.

HTFU

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Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-05-26 18:03:38 UTC
So people wan't to make logging on illegal now. Interesting...

James seems to have a point, carebears actually do want EVE to become BOTS Online.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-05-26 18:27:45 UTC
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Texty
State War Academy
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-05-26 19:10:41 UTC
What has been "fixed" about the logoffski thing? Is the OP talking about the PvP log off timer refreshing? You still can't prevent a guy from logging off if he had initiated the log off before any aggressive action was made (and you can't find, or don't have enough fire power to kill him within 1 minute), am I right?
Malak Dawnfire
Unquestionable Prosperity
Grand Inquisitors Federation
#27 - 2012-05-26 19:24:05 UTC
People shouldn't be allowed to log in or off the game, why would anybody argue against this logic?
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#28 - 2012-05-26 20:24:38 UTC
Selinate wrote:
How many people have jumped on a gate, seen maybe one other person on local and nowhere in site, attempts to warp, suddenly bubbled and suddenly 5 people log on into system and come on grid immediately?

This should be considered cheating. Something should be done to fix this. Please do.



Somebody fell asleep in a tanning booth.


Anyway, we have seen gate camper tears from logoffski, we will see more tears over this.


Might as well sit back and watch this argument go on for a few years.

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Llywelyn Emrys
Doomheim
#29 - 2012-05-26 20:27:20 UTC
Get rid of local, problem solved?
Lady Aja
#30 - 2012-05-26 21:00:30 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
So people wan't to make logging on illegal now. Interesting...

James seems to have a point, carebears actually do want EVE to become BOTS Online.



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"log in and get into fleet. we need numbers"
"but i cant. ccp has made loging in illegal and cheating if you go into combat"
"derp"
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Fluffeh Kitteh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2012-05-27 00:39:26 UTC
Yes, the log-ofski is now toast, and screw the log-onski.

What i want to know is whats being done about the log-leftki and log-downski.

and DONT get me started on the log-rightski.
TheButcherPete
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#32 - 2012-05-27 01:16:58 UTC
So... you jump into a random 0.0 system, and see someone in local that isn't you, and isn't blue. You don't immediately go on the defensive? You got caught in a trap dude, it exists because CCP allows it to. This isn't a bad thing tbh. You should use scouts next time or something.

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Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#33 - 2012-05-27 05:03:38 UTC
Fluffeh Kitteh wrote:
Yes, the log-ofski is now toast, and screw the log-onski.

What i want to know is whats being done about the log-leftki and log-downski.

and DONT get me started on the log-rightski.


Logonski AKA Logbacksi

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Marcus Caspius
#34 - 2012-05-27 06:26:15 UTC
Miilla wrote:
So now it's against the rules to LOG onto Eve? HAHAHAHAHHA o dear o dear o dear.

I actually think it isn't the goons that want to destroy eve, it is the carebears that ARE destroying EVE.


Don't be a moron and play coy!

It's a known tactic and often used . You don't have to be a genius to see that logging in pilots to immediately engage in combat and also gain an advantage is just as bad as logging out to save a ship.

By all means gank people, hi-jack freighters whatever , but don't use tactics that promote unfair advantages...

It's not clever or resourceful, just plan cheating.

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bongsmoke
Visine Red
420 Chronicles of EvE
#35 - 2012-05-27 06:29:48 UTC
Llywelyn Emrys wrote:
Get rid of local, problem solved?


You should never post again.

This thread is full of fail and trolls.

Please lock this thread.
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#36 - 2012-05-27 06:46:03 UTC
Selinate wrote:
How many people have jumped on a gate, seen maybe one other person on local and nowhere in site, attempts to warp, suddenly bubbled and suddenly 5 people log on into system and come on grid immediately?

This should be considered cheating. Something should be done to fix this. Please do.


That's never happened to me. You log in from a random point, align and warp to the gate if that's where you logged out. It doesn't take me that long to warp away.

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Keno Skir
#37 - 2012-05-27 07:01:04 UTC
I know its handy for some not for others, same with everything don't you find?

But really, aside from carebear hate, this sounds like a cheat. It bypasses all game mechanics put there by CCP and is incredibly similar to log-offski which CCP considers an exploit. I really don't care and have often considered the idea. If it's not an exploit i'll probably use it one day in a pinch. But really nobody should be denying that this is indeed an exploit that bypasses game rules and mechanics.

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Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#38 - 2012-05-27 07:51:05 UTC
Not another remove local thread... Just remove it already and let's be done with it. Either that or make cloaking remove you from the list when active.

Local chat was never intended to be a perfect intel tool, otherwise there would be mention of it during the tutorial missions.

Your logic is also flawed since a cloaky falcon with a cyno would have had the same result. Are we supposed to make hot-dropping an exploit too since you had no idea what ships were bridging through just by a glimpse at local before you entered warp?
Keno Skir
#39 - 2012-05-27 08:21:16 UTC
Ioci wrote:
Selinate wrote:
How many people have jumped on a gate, seen maybe one other person on local and nowhere in site, attempts to warp, suddenly bubbled and suddenly 5 people log on into system and come on grid immediately?

This should be considered cheating. Something should be done to fix this. Please do.


That's never happened to me. You log in from a random point, align and warp to the gate if that's where you logged out. It doesn't take me that long to warp away.


Dunno if it's what OP means, but i always imagined this happening at a station rather than a gate. One war target outside to draw you out, then once u fire a shot 4 of his mates log into the station behind you = boom.

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Keno Skir
#40 - 2012-05-27 08:25:49 UTC
Emizeko Chai wrote:
Selinate wrote:

According to CCP's fix. What part of that was hard to read?


It wasn't hard to read, but it was hard to make any sense out of. You're not explaining how you reach that conclusion; you're also misinformed about the policy around this issue.

He's asking you where it says that because you're wrong about the policy, and therefore he knows you can't point to anything that backs up your statements.

Listen, rather than razz you about how wildly misinformed you are I'll just lay it out for you: reconnection and disconnection are never exploits. The realities of networked communication admit no other workable line to be drawn.

Complaining about this is like complaining about rain -- you can either walk around soaked and miserable, or you can get an umbrella.


Agreed theres nothing can be done aside from a log in delay which would be stupid. But it is still an exploit (something never intended for tactical use, that bypasses mechanics in place to rule player engagements), just not an illegal one (again due to the lack of options regarding a fix, not because it is in any way supported by CCP like scamming and other seemingly illegal activities).

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